Are you using the effective wing loading from Wikipedia? Because that figure includes the entire fuselage area as lifting surface, and I’m sceptical of that, especially as the source is a YouTube video.
Ehhh, while the Typhoon doesnt have the first shoot capabilities of the F-35, it has a VASTLY better defensive suite.
The radar based MAWS being able to detect missiles that have already cooled down, dedicated jammers that can target side-/rearwards, chaff (especially in combination with the jammer illuminating it more), dropped active radar decoys, the towed radar jammers (although the F-35 does have those as well)
German and Italian Typhoons can then also use their IRIS-T as hardkill interceptors (AIM-9X or ASRAAM cant be used for this purpose as their laser fuze is too likely to just miss small-ish missiles)
Meanwhile the F-35 can only carry 4 AMRAAM internally, Sidekick still isnt ready, any external stores will destroy the advantage of its stealth, and if its empty, it cant run away because its both slower and its exhaust area is much more visible on both radar and IR
I’m not saying the Eurofighter can just kill the F-35 like it wants, but I am believing it has a non insignificant chance of outlasting the F-35
Umm?
Especially since it’s an F-18 engine.
IRIS-T was mentioned in the long list of over 200 posts I skimmed.
Not yet; AIM-9X, IRIS-T, AAM-5B, MICA IR, et cetera are a bit too heavy for War Thunder currently IMO.
F-18E with AESA was mentioned as better than EF Typhoon. I don’t know when/if Tranche 3 was introduced so I cannot comment on that.
I mean if we got the Tornado F.3 a bit earlier, F-14A time or earlier, we wouldve had a very nice BVR capable aircraft that would’ve matched the F-14. admittedly in close combat that wouldve fallen down a bit, but that was always going to be the case. Now we’re stuck with a DOA Tornado that no one wants to play, and I fear the Eurofighter is going the same way.
Is that based on any facts, or an just assumption?
Wouldn’t know but considering that they are both used in a Surface Launch configuration to target drones and rockets I don’t think it’s likely to much of an issue with the fuse.
Considering that they both also have LOAL capabilities as long as the incoming missile could be detected they should be able to track it once they close the distance or are otherwise directed by the datalink.
If it would be something that I have proof of is another thing entirely and on what missile for example the AIM-54 at 15" in diameter falls squarely within the listed Cruise missile diameter range. and further which subvariant of the AIM-9X you were referring to the -1, -2 or -2+ as they all have different capabilities, I’m sure it would be similar to the ASRAAM’s developments.
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Well first of the IRIS-T is the only one that actually advertises this feature, with the proximity fuze being noted as one of the distinguishing factors, and then theres also simple geometry with laser fusing:
At a miss distance of 1 meter, against a round body with a radius of 0.89cm (so AMRAAM), a laser has a window of only ~10° to actually hit the target. AIM-9X uses the same proximity fuze as the earlier AIM-9 versions (havent found anything hinting to a change between 9X version), so it projects 4 beams. Thats 40° total, in the other 320° the fuse wont activate.
Tbh no clue how many beams the ASRAAM projects. Edit: Just visually confirmed its also 4
I also wouldnt really put drones, unguided rockets or cruise missiles at the same level as air-air missiles, as they are either slow, non manouvering, or both, compared to air-air missiles that fly at high supersonic speeds and have to maneuver themselves in order to intercept a plane
There’s no reason to fear EF Typhoon. It’s likely a next year item alongside Rafale, 2000s F-15C, etc.
We’re just not at the BR for all those aircraft quite yet.
~2014 for T3
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I honestly cant see how that works? Its a laser, it physically cant cover area except if it had some kind of beam steering and physically sweeped its area, of which I am not reading anything …
not yet, but from a Brit perspective they do have form…
but i’ll be optimistic and hope you’re right on this one
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Why would the laser not be able to cover that much area? Lasers aren’t always a narrow beam.
It literally says narrow-beam
In this case, yes… but to make the general statement is wrong.
We know it covers a 90 degree sector, and it is a proximity fuse… why would it not be able to search that sector? That would be quite a bad design flaw…
- December 2021-EF-2000 Kuwait_Captor-E…
2.2023-In June 2022, Airbus Corporation received a contract to install 110 radars with an active phased array antenna (AFAR) Captor-E on the Eurofighter Typhoon of the German Air Force and five radars of this type on Spanish Typhoons. In the latter case, we are talking about the initial batch of radar. The work under the contract should be completed in 2023 … - England- the end of 2023, the beginning of flight tests of the radar…
On July 15, 2022, the Ministry of Defense of the United Kingdom announced the allocation of 2.35 billion pounds for the modernization program of the Eurofighter Typhoon fighters of the Royal Air Force with the equipment of their European Common Radar System (ECRS) Mk 2 radar with AFAR. The ECRS Mk 2 radar is being developed by the British branch of Leonardo and BAE Systems under a contract with the British Ministry of Defense dated September 2020 worth 317 million pounds, the start of flight tests of the radar is planned from the end of 2023. It is expected that 40 British Tranche 3A and 67 Tranche 2 series Typhoon fighters will receive ECRS Mk 2 radars by the end of the decade as part of the Phased 4 Enhancement (P4E) upgrade program.
Ever heard of a laser level? Those things prove it’s entirely possible to get a laser beam to illuminate a wide arc. For example:
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Well, in the case of the AIM-9L sensor it has the 8 laser-emitter diodes and 8 light-sensor diodes.
They are said to emit in a “spoke” pattern, which suggests they are not like the laser level, rather emit a narrow laser sort of like a laser pointer. I don’t see why the laser wouldn’t be able to move or pulse in a pattern of some sort to rapidly scan the area though.
Reading into it, the AIM-9X block 2 integrates an improved AOTD (Active Optical Target Detector).
The new layout is visible, and they don’t go away from the 4x 90 degree coverage sensor layout.
Further research suggests most modern IR missiles use either 4x 90 degree sensors or some kind of radio frequency proximity fuse. Must not be as awful as claimed. IRIS-T uses exclusively RF fuse, others use exclusively AIM-9X block 1-esque laser fuse, others have options for either / or.