Eurofighter Typhoon (UK versions) - Technical data and discussion

You could do us all a favour by taking your gaslighting elsewhere, thanks.

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Yeah

The laws of physics havent changed since the 60s

A modern PESA or AESA still uses a pulse dopplar waveform which can still easily be jammed.

Modern radars primarily use frequency hopping to defeat jamming, but a sufficiently advanced jammer will detect any changes to the signal and immediately counter the counter.

The main reason why towed radar decoys are becoming much more prevailing is because because of the home on jam from active missiles is the most dangerous threat. You don’t want your 100 million dollar fighter jet to be the primary target, so you drag a giant blinding bullseye some 100 meters behind you instead.

The only way to defeat the jam, is to completely overpower the incoming signal, by chirping, frequency modulation or just burute force.

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I love coming to this thread for the daily dose of Mig_23 waffle, it’s great entertainment

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AESA far harder to jam than PESA or M-scan but sure

rafale spectra is not effective against AESA radars too, same would apply for most DRFM jammers

That’s only due to the speed at which it can perform waveform modulation.

A sufficiently advanced jammer can still counter that.

A sufficiently powerful jammer will still overload an AESA antenna.

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yeah but what jammer can do this? only one i can think of is ALQ-99 on EA-18G that can go toe to toe with AESA radars output wise

ALQ-99 is only dedicated jammer I know of that can counter AESA radars effectively by being advanced (F-35 and to a degree F-22 can do this)

edit: EPAWSS on F-15E and F-15EX can do this too, same with IVEWS on upgraded USAF F-16’s

So your argument TRDs being useless/bad is that the RAF in the 1990s tested them against 1960s SAMs, decided “eh good enough” and employed them and continue to employ them 30 years later on their most advanced fighter aircraft and you reckon that they never bothered to test them vs any SAM system made in the last 60-70 years?

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I made a suggestion for customisable MAWS slaving, as the Typhoon has this I thought people here might want to check it out and leave feedback?

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Great suggestion, definetly needed and defiently LONG overdue

Exactly, before you had to drive all the way to the asylum. Now its just one click away.

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So I finally got around to it (actually I just fixed the camera and was able to run opentrack) and try out Typhoon in AirSB. And oh my god, how ridiculous this ridiculousness is.
It feels like I came to a shootout blindfolded. Tracking empty space, tracking missiles, losing contact in strait flight in clear sky, the inability to pick up a contact with the cursor if at least 2 seconds have passed since the beam passed (as far as I know, selecting a target with the cursor is a normal way to control a real radar), etc.
The way it feels in an airplane, one of whose features is sensor fusion, is just ridiculous. In AirRB you can at least navigate by markers, and in AirSB you are your only sensor - the radar (no, well of course you can look for contacts through the PIRATE thermal imager… Good luck throwing an amraam through it. And good luck with the friend-foe indicator too.) And my god, it’s physically painful.

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Yeah, definetly the greatest weakness of it so far. The general tactic i’ve been employing is ultra defensive play, put myself into positions where I can give the radar time and then engage when optimal to do so. But yeah, its not just Blue Vixen, something is definetly fundementally wrong with the radar

Right, but use of active seekers on missiles as well as multiple seekers, multi-mode seekers, datalinks have all vastly improved.

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Typhoon feels like everyone else is using TRDs and ECM

Cant wait for a new person to tell me to pull up every 5 seconds as im trying to notch a missile… I know im too low, why do you think im shitting myself i can see trees out my left window.

I just use the irst to find targets now, its actually quite good at that, i then switch to radar if i want to use my araams or stick with irst if i want to remain hidden. Do you know if i m missing something, because i cant think of a reason why the eft wasn’t given data link along with the Rafael other than it doesn’t get hmd DL perhaps? But even then having it give use radar targets like on tws soft locks would go so far in giving us some situational awareness, would help the tornado as well.

Yes, but wouldn’t you rather your jet shout at you in King’s English. The silky smooth voice of Joanna Lumley -

‘Now be a dear and don’t be silly. You really ought to pull up out of this dive. There’s a good boy…’

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They aren’t even a thing yet on air to air or even surface to air missiles.

They are just about at the point of miniaturizing the technology to equip it on anti ship missiles and cruise missiles.

The shape of the nosecone of these types of dual mode seekers is still also very round and very unoptimised for supersonic flight.

they put a 4 mode seeker on the GBU-53 its already been minaturized to fit on a SMALL diameter bomb

Yeah and they have to have a dome clamshell covering that’s the same diameter as the missile which makes it impractical to fly at supersonic speeds.

An IR seeker can be 1/10th the diameter of the missile body alone, and a radar seeker can have a fully aerodynamic nosecone that won’t interfere with the radar.