There has to be some RNG though, otherwise Typhoons DASS system that uses Spectral countermeasures and we have multiple sources to confirm that. Should be well protected
in game that’s not the case with the MAWS system unable to flare any IR missile.
What do you mean by out-classed in a dogfight? Do you mean in close range missile jousting or you mean actual turning engagements?
No one is using guns when most jets have enough missiles to kill half a team
Aim-9M and Aim-120Bs are not that graet in CQB fights.
Aim-9M especially struggles in a tight close range dogfight as they really need a clean rear-aspect shot from further than about 1km away. (they also have 0 flare resistance in front aspect which is really annoying)
R-73 and Magic II love being up close and personal and i’ve been killed by an R-73 doing a 100° turn and killing me whilst I was on an Su-30s 7-o-clock. (and my MAWS didnt even try to drop flares)
Also Aim-9Ms have lousy (and ahistorical) lock ranges, which makes them rather poor for longer ranged engagements (even when the target is well and truly within the LSZ, you can find yourself without tone, which is really annoying because it should have tone based upon IRL sources)
Whilst you might have the raw performance to do well in a dogfight, the lack of HOBS IR/ARH missile that both the Rafale and Su-30SM have really close the gap quite a lot (let alone the buggy Vixen M-scan radar on the Typhoon vs AESA radars on both the Rafale and Su-30) close any advantage the Typhoon might have in raw performance at this time and I find myself needing to be especially careful whenever fights close to within 10km in the Typhoon because I know that is an environment the Typhoon is perticuarly weak in currently.
(and thats without even mentioning the fact Im finding Su-30SM pilots are becoming more and more confident in just shooting down any Aim-120 find at them from any kind of range, at least in SB, forcing some interesting tactics and half my AAM loadout to even force them onto the defensive)
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I understand that but I am wondering if I am misinterpreting Morvran because by all objective measures the Typhoon is still the best or second best dogfighter in the game even with missiles are accounted for.
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Eurofighter is definitely being held back for now since it’s already very good. But hopefully Gaijin will bring it up to spec in the future, and not abandon it.
It is good in flight performance the rest is pretty average.
Su-30SM superior Radar, superior missiles, weaker FM
J-11B Superior Radar, superior missiles, similar FM
Rafale Superior Radar, superior missiles, superior FM
All Typhoon currently does is go fast and turn.
It’s Radar is so buggy you cant really BVR with it and it’s payload of 6 120s makes BVR a waste of time
as wasting your missiles on speculative shots will only get you killed.
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Are those radar’s superior only because Eurofighter radar is buggy right now?
J-11B maybe the Su-30 is PESA and Rafale is AESA
They scan faster have a larger scan window and update quicker essentially meaning they see everything at once. The advantage these systems give you in game cannot be understated.
Weapons are mid though. Aim9m needs to get out, I swear irccm feels like it has been nerfed, in combination with the lock range, and manueverability, makes a horrible missile
Id say half and half.
AESA should be superior to CAPTOR-M just because its an M-Scan, but CAPTOR-M shouldnt be miles behind either as its got some pretty important tricks up its sleave, like Priority Track. Its the closest thing you can get to E-Scan without being E-Scan. (and thats without including the PIRATE intergration we should also have)
But its so weak in game currently and requires so much effort to use, that it falls short of many M-scan radars, which is definetly not accurate.
Also, with FGR4 being one of our end of line aircraft, there isnt any meaningful reason why we couldnt get CAPTOR-E sooner rather than later. Then just add th F2 for the CAPTOR-M before the FGR4
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typhoon still is the best fm in game
Yeah, Aim-9M is underperforming significantly and is a niche weapon. Its great when it can be used to its strengths, but far weaker than its rivals at all other times. Just glad its a minority that have the better AAM and most have the 9M, so its not felt too badly
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Yes it’s fast climbs well but not that much better than an F-15E now with the nerfs
It’s Radar and missiles are poor though
amraams are still really good
I have rather mixed success with them, but would kill for something with even half decent HOBS or just for the 9Ms to have anything other than point blank lock ranges
Not really bud, they are good long range if no one tries to defend them,
as range reduces players just defeat them by multipathing or by dropping some chaff.
I have seen 120s miss from 5km away against a jet that has stalled out and is dumping chaff…
Eh…
Their only real advantage is the longer range, but between everyones increasing confidence in defending against fox-3s (which is a given for most at top tier) and the increased performance of the aircraft the Typhoon faces (Aircraft like the F-15, Su-30 and Rafale) have the CM count, RWR performance and FM to defend with ease at medium range
So where most of the fights usually actually take place are well within effective ranges for the R-77-1 and MICA EM which hold huge advantages over the AMRAAM these days. Especially the MICA now its got the best seeker out of any ARH and its not a small advantage either.
Aim-120s remain usable, but are no where near as strong as they were when new.
Especially when combined with the near-useless radar on the Typhoon, any form of BVR fight is a chore just to get the radar to lock onto the right target
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