@Mulatu_Astatke applying here to save detailing the Rafale thread.
That is literally Brimstone’d primary operating mode…
As already shown Brimstone has Automatic Target Recognition.
The Eurofighter can use its RWR to designated targets for Brimstone.
Ah yes a research paper investigating the use Convolutional Neural Network for target recognition in infrared surveillance systems. That does not prove that no other system could identify individual targets, it just shows that for that one research project they chose six target categories as a starting point to prove the technology.
Brimstone also uses radar (not IIR) and to my knowledge does not use CNNs. If you are going to discuss brimstone’s target recognition capability, I suggest you find something more relevant.
It was designed to be deployed in target rich environments like tank convoys it can tell the difference but there is no point even mention this as anything that doesn’t fit your world view is just wrong according to you
No way! I would love to see that, could you send me the link please?
I do remember seeing them trying to mount Brimstone to vehicles but didn’t know it had been a success!
You’ve already been given plenty of sources showing it is capable of target recognition, which you have arbitrarily dismissed because “Britain is bad at target recognition” without proving any suitable evidence to support that assertion. So Frankly motivation is pretty low to spend a bunch of time digging through a massive pile of sources, just for you to dismiss them all out of hand again.
However I’ll give you one more chance to engage in a good natured discussion. These come from an Alenia Marconi Presentation on the Brimstone.
Unfortunately sources on Brimstone are quite hard to come by because it is for the most part still classified. Maybe in a few more years the archives will start opening up on it more.
Again this says nothing. I’ve actually provided useful information that AASMs can target specific and unique targets even amongst cluttered environments.
At best, the Brimstone likely uses a combination of radar and IR to discriminate a vehicle from a tree. Which is - as I said - nothing special. Classification could simply refer to differentiating between two separate classes of ‘land vehicle’ and ‘false alarm’.
There is no evidence that Brimstones use 3D target models in their ATR algorithms like the AASM does. Rather, sources actually indicate that radar ATR is little better than ‘useless’ for an actual battlefield:
Why do you keep talking about IR in relation to Brimstone? I’d figure since you’ve clearly spent time looking at this, the most basic level of research would’ve told you there has never been any Brimstone variant with an IR seeker.
So you’re telling me, you were operating under the impression that it was IR, with no evidence, you where then corrected and yet still managed to again think it was using IR? Isn’t that a bit embarrassing?
They have deteriorated effectiveness against a moving target, yes. The IR seeker is unable to make the necessary fine adjustments against a fast moving target - here the SAL version is preferable (and was actually later derived from the IR version).
So if the target is moving IR becomes less effective and you need a SAL seeker? Maybe AASM would benefit from MMW for moving targets and then combine that into a single seeker with SAL so it can also hit moving targets, we could call it some like Brimstone.
I still find the whole thing ridiculous.
RAFALE, SU-30, F-15 and so on already all do that only to a slightly lesser degree with like 6 missles. Its just as bad.
There is plenty solutions.
Add multispectral smokes with chaff.
Limit the number of mmw brimstones to 6.
Integrate mmw like IR, leave out the LOAL.
Its all just cheap excuses by gajin.
Ither aircrafts are allowed to kill half a team with one pass but the euro gets crippled
