Eurofighter Typhoon (UK versions) - Technical data and discussion (Part 2)

If it was integrated into the system it would be a much better HMD than the one on the F-35, but unfortunately it isn’t. Unrelated but it’s good news for Tempest, which will probably feature Striker II from the get-go and hopefully its own 360 degree DAS along with 360 degree IRST.

It’s less than half the price, it’s full colour, it has 3D directional audio (which really allows the pilot to feel where the threat is coming from, reducing reaction time), its lighter and significantly so (very important), it’s got picture in picture, it has a higher FoV. Truly a next-gen HMS and the best on the market without a doubt.

The only barrier for it being used on the EFT as the F-35’s would be is the lack of a distributed aperture system which is the network of camera’s around the F-35 which allows the pilot to see through the aircraft.

I’ve seen it mentioned that BAE has suggested replacing it on Block 4+ F-35 new builds, however it didn’t get past a suggestion (probably because the US has VETO’d every single decision on F-35 that threatens the US monopoly on its industrial interests). BAE has all but confirmed they’ll be integrating it into Gripen.

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? It locks out at (approx) 27/40 with/without aoa limiter

you sure? i got up to 70 without flat spinning, im sure i could get more if i really tried, using http://localhost:8111/
i can get 55+ consistently, peak of 71.9

I can exceed it by messing with the yaw as the eurofighter acts like it doesn’t have a rudder, but in a standard turn it locks out at those values.

ill record one in the morning, btw im not doing turns to the left/right, im pitching hard up

yeah and it loses all speed by doing that…

well yeah, it’s 70 aoa. why wouldn’t it lose all it’s speed

then why complain about it?

…because it’s able to do it at all? When it shouldn’t be able to? It basically has thrust vectoring

I dont think this is a “Typhoon” specific issue. Instead affects most of the top tier. Though would also need sources to state that the Typhoon cant do such a maneuver

Though its also kinda a low priority. Such a tactic would probably end up killing you in the Typhoon and at the moment without any form of HOBS, you cant exploit it for stupid shots like you can in the Su-30SM.

Would this not be considered a cobra? im a little confused what you doing to get that much aoa. Are you going to like 600-800kph and just yanking it up in the manoeuvre mode.

Thing is it can’t sustain that kind of alpha. It snaps up and then drops down. It’s just an unstable aircraft.

By absolute technicality it’d only be a cobra past 90

This is an issue for all unstable aircraft in Sim outside of MiG-29 and Su-27 variants. It allows a bunch of planes to compete in flight regimes where they should not be competitive. It means that there a lot of positions in a dogfight that would normally be safe that can be completely negated by aggressive pitching in manual controls at the right time.

At 42 seconds you can see how Rafale pulling beyond AoA limit is able to pull for a shot at low speeds. You can see me do the same thing with Eurofighter at 1:24. A lot of the shots in this video end up coming down to exploiting manual controls and 50+ available AoA.

The whole implementation of maneuver mode is basically a farce. In real life what manual pitch over ride does is relax some of the control parameters to assist in recovering from a spin; it is not a goofy pseudo-cobra button.

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The BOL on the Typhoon which is responsible for that “High CM count” is artificially nerfed to an extreme degree to the point where you need dozens of BOL CMs to match the performance of even a single regular CM most of the time.

In the most commonly used config for the Typhoon, you run 2+6 loadout, which is at best, the same as the Rafale, but the Rafale can run 8x MICA EM, the Typhoon cannot run 8x AMRAAM. Whilst the Typhoon can run 6+4. The Aim-9M is an incredibly weak missile most of the time, by far the weakest in a dogfight at the very least and is in need of buffs like giving it its IRL lock ranges. Id kill for half the HOBS performance that either the MICA EM or Magic II have, but we have to wait for ASRAAM and IRIS-T for that.

In addition to the Rafale having the superior missiles, it also has the best radar in game that few can compete with. Typhoon certainly cannot, evne with its new radar. For true parity we need CAPTOR-E.

The Rafale also dominates the Typhoon in A2G, with teh Typhoon having an artificially nerfed A2G loadout which is one of the weakest loadouts at top tier.

The only real advantage the Typhoon has over the Rafale is a slightly superior FM, but that is entirely and completely negated by the fact the Rafale has those HOBS missile and doesnt need a clear line-of sight. In a very short range dogfight, the only reliable weapon the Typhoon has is its gun. The Typhoon also has the advantage in long ranged BVR, but anyone with basic understanding of game mechanics can negate that advantage in litereally any aircraft

TLDR: Typhoon still needs more buffs to bring it on par with the Rafale F4 the French have. Such as:

  • Improved seeker for the Aim-120C5
  • CAPTOR-E
  • Cockpit overhaul
  • ASRAAM/IRIS-T
  • Brimstone 2
  • BOL Overhaul
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probably not onle seeker

Yeah, its probably underperforming in most regards. But at an absolute bare minimum, it needs to be given the better notch resistances the MICA EM has. That would at least make it far more potent when used at extreme ranges

What do you mean, which rafale are you talking about right now, irl or in game ???

This means MICA-IR will also enter the chat.

If all of them recieve their real performance we know who’s gonna win again.

In-game.

Both the MICA EM and Magic II are incredibly potent HOBS missiles that neither the Aim-9M or Aim-120B/C5 can hope to compete with at short range. The only option for HOBS would be ASRAAM and IRIS-T , which of course would come with MICA IR, but at least then both aircraft would be on an equal footing in the HOBS department and wouldnt result in the Rafale having an overwhelming dogfighting advantage