Yea i think it was peacetime setting 90k, 103k if needed and 120k with new parts.
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AFAIK:
EJ200: 60/90 kN (peacetime), 69/95 kN (“war setting”)
EJ230: 72/103 kN with 3D-Thrustvector Nozzle (unknown if thrust values are “war setting” or not)
EJ200 P3Ec (Stage 3): 78/120 kN (planned for Tranche 5 Eurofighters I think…)
A Gripen NG with a thrust vectored EJ230 would be quite the sight in terms of maneuverability, with more thrust than the current F414 engine and remove the dependence on US suppliers and regulations.
If the Tranche 5 Eurofighter really gets the EJ200 P3Ec (Stage 3) with the according thrust values it will mutate into full-fledged UFO including the AMK modification. Nearly 4 tons more thrust dry and 6 tons with afterburner: 15,6 tons dry thrust, 24 tons afterburner thrust overall. Even with the maximum takeoff weight of 23,5 tons its thrust-to-weight-ratio would be >1.
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Portugal was considering buying those iirc. But looks like they’ll probably be going with typhoon now I think. So I doubt we’ll ever see them in-game which is a bit of a shame. Sounds somewhat hilarious
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78kN dry? On an engine this light and small? Incredible
Where’d you get these numbers? I havent seen them discussed anywhere. The Tranche 5 are confirmed to be getting P3Ec according to a news article, but I can barely find any mention of the P3Ec in the first place
Edit: found the source for the claim, appears it was a claimed planed increase in thrust for the EJ200, but I haven’t found any other sources claiming this was even actually completed.
Yeah, I was going by the claimed 30% thrust uplift as the figure “30%” is the only thing you can find for it. So yes, don’t take these numbers at face value.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they’re keeping these plans on the back burner for war-time scenarios and implementing the new upgrades as needed, since the EJ200 already is a very good engine at its current form.
I believe I also read somewhere or heard from someone that EJ230 and P3Ec were both built as engines and went through comprehensive testing.
They would be (as 99% of the EJ200’s are) property of RR or MTU or ITP or Avio.
If RR does hold an EJ200 P3Ec i’d put money on them using it on the Tempest demonstrator due to fly in the not so distant future (sub-2 years). Tempest is predicted to be in the 18T weight class which puts it right on par with the F-22. F-120 engines on that jet make ~120kn dry and ~160kn wet. So a base EJ200 isn’t going to be ideal.
I doubt they’ll use the new RR engine (well now RR-Mitsubishi) in development for Tempest demonstrator as thats too many untested points of failure, so they’ll need a really beefy engine to make this demonstrator go and EJ200 P3Ec would be that engine.
Isn’t an adaptive cycle engine planned for the Tempest? If so, it can’t be the EJ2xx or a derivative of it because implementing an adaptive cycle would require a complete redesign of nearly everything. And putting a 74 cm diameter engine into a giant 18 tons fighter doesn’t make quite sense (The F119 and F135 have around 100 to 110 cm diameter at the fan inlet AFAIK).
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Adaptive Cycle isn’t confirmed but given Tempest is designed to fullfill a purpose similar to the B-21 in US service but with fighter utility it would be so so so incredibly stupid of them not to opt for it, its also well within RR’s capabilities. They aren’t going to achieve the range figures of a bomber without making a bomber unless they go for adaptive cycle.
The only thing we actually know about the engine is that its power generation is planned to be much much higher than even EJ200. Essentially bringing the naval concept of Power Integrated Propulsion and shoehorning it into fighters to allow for very very high levels of AI integration, internal computing, EW and eventually directed energy weaponry (likely in a hardkill APS role).
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On the note of why it would probably be an EJ2xx derivative on the demonstrator. The first thing is that the demonstrator will not be indicative of the final aircraft, likely it will be smaller but still larger than Eurofighter, probably around F-22 sized compared to the F-111 size of Tempests final airframe.
The engine selected will be an available, suitable and most importantly low risk engine, the RR engine for Tempest won’t be that, its not available, and its not low risk at this stage. Consider that DA.1 and DA.2 flew with RB.199s because EJ200s weren’t ready yet, but the engine had already been bench tested, they could even have used the XG-40 that EJ200 was based on. This is a step even further, because RR had an engine (the Tempest equiv of XG-40) and now Japan and MHI is in they’re trying to see what they can change to make it into the Tempest equiv of EJ200.
The demonstrator might eventually get a prototype of the adaptive cycle but I think its more likely the demonstrator will test the airframe’s basic design and mechanisms like the weapons bay, and then the prototype will be the first with the new engine. The prototype being an airframe actually indicative of the final design of Tempest (the equivalent of DA.1/DA.2)
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Reading only that, the new engine will have to have a completly different core. I would be surprised if there would be any similarities between the planned Tempest engine and the EJ2xx.
I would assume they are using the IHI XF9 as a base for the Tempests engine or even a modified version of it. It ticks most of the requirement boxes (for example 180 kW generator output) except for the variable cycle.
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There are no real similarities implied, but naturally knowledge is implemented and RR’s ‘style’ is kept, we know its a clean sheet engine. RR already had one developed before GCAP became a partnered thing. Obviously now joining forces with MHI means joining forces with another very talented engine manufacturer with their own knowledge and IP on advanced concepts. So now I suspect they will be deciding whether to implement those advanced concepts into the RR design, or whether to start clean sheet and try and take the strengths of the RR engine, and knowledge from MHI to make a completely new engine which will take longer, but joined forces makes that still a feasible option whilst retaining the 2035 IOC date.
As I said I think it depends on how far and how good this RR EJ200 successor is. If its got variable cycle that is probably by far the hardest part of this. Energy generation coupled to turbine engines RR has been doing for decades and literally supplies every western nation with this capability on its naval applications.
Given this I expect the engine they developed to be more or less class leading and might even feature a higher generator output.
All of these are guesses though, we very much don’t know anything of value about this RR engine or about any planned characteristics of Tempest bar F-OFF huge.
You shouldn’t compare gasturbines only used for power generation with aviation gasturbines which have to deliver thrust, electrical power, hydraulic power and bleed-air at the same time to varying degrees. The core has to support all these things at once without impacting any of these to a certain degree even if the consumption varies strongly. For example if you vary the thrust you don’t want to loose bleed air, electrical or hydraulic power at all but don’t want the engine to react slow or not strong enough. It’s completly different to normal power generation.
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I’m aware they aren’t the same or even comparable, but RR has said that’s where the majority of new innovations are being applied from on the new engine compared to the already great energy generation of EJ200.
So because i am only 3 planes off of researching it what should i be expecting out of the Italian F-2000?
(Asking here because this is the only active typhoon thread and it looks similar enough to the british one anyways.)
Also man the F-104S is painful to play…
Good FM, weak missiles and an annoying fight with the radar
and BOL sucks at the moment
On 70%ish fuel, you can pitch your nose up around 40 degrees, climb almost 300m/s and still be gaining a little bit of speed.
The rest is up to your extrapolation.
Ironically there is exactly no source/number which states the energy generation of the EJ200. We have no idea how much electrical power it can generate.
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Are we expecting any type of fixes for the winter update?
It should be, but I fear fixing of Typhoon would be belated to Spring 2026 (as along with the releasing of AESA Typhoon), just like how Russia still haven’t got their top tier aircraft while Britain and France finally have their own Eurocanards.
Because the most likely addition this Winter 2025 update would be J-10C and Gripen E, because China and Sweden never got their properly Gen 4.5 Aircraft.