Thé main issue with TVC is when firing at low speed. For exemple, trying to fire an SRAM from an harrier hovering will cause it to go literally in random direction. Considering the IRIS-T platforms will be… stationary when firing, I really hope they fixed TVC somewhat or it’s going to be even worse than rapier on release, and I don’t say that lightly
SRAAM does have a min launch speed though. That being said, it bugs out against targets within 400m as well, even when fired at double its min speed
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Yep. I’ve heard that MICA apparently has less issues than the r73, so there’s probably a lot of factors involved in TVC stability, but I would stay cautious on that.
I’m not against mmW + fictional chaff for all nations’ smoke grenades at top tier …
But since they really hate mmW seekers, AIM-9X and ASRAAM / IRIS-T (If they have such capability) could provide an alternative F&F solution against SPAAs and IFVs etc
Yep, so that is possibly 1 point in favour of ASRAAM, the only non-TVC Gen 5
Considering they avoided having a video showing its missile launch compared to other SPAA devblogs, I would venture to guess it’s not ready yet.
yeah about, apparantly chaff smokes dont work against brimstones
Not that they work against Brimstone
If we are at that stage, then they should isntead just add [ASRAAM] Typhoons.
But even then, additions like Brimstone 2 and Spear-3 exist too, even without MMW theyd be enough
honestly i think it might not be the missle they have issues with
Yeah. they said a video just wasnt readyl, but who knows.
Anyway, I was more interested in the fact that the Devblog didnt mention IIR at all.
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Well, currently TVC is really an issue at very low speed. I’ve haven’t gotten MICA spin out in ages, and I usually fire them above 500km/h. I believe the devs have hard limited the maximum angle the TVC can take for the R73 and MICA still, but that does not prevent them to reach their top G load as well as the little boost from TVC (even if nerfed), so it’s still a very tight pull. It does however destroy the range of those missiles and the ASRAAM might be able to capitalize on that in gamme
it didint mention anything about the performance of the IRIS-T
it only said it will get added
Yep, which given the lecture we got on Brimstone, was… interesting…
Anyway, might be time to start ass-kicking for BOL to be properly modeled as a defence if IIR is actually modeled
That’s not a sure thing anyways (It will very much depend on the exact seeker and exact chaff particles used and their amount and density etc) …
But let’s assume it doesn’t … Who cares … Still a better compromise than no mmW at all …
True. Though at this point and their hard requirement for it to be 100% accurate or not at all. Id be a little miffed if they then turned around and went “actually, we’ve just decided to make them be blocked by smoke”
I would expect IIR to just act as a better gate width IRCCM. Probably they’ll give us something like 0.4º FOV and call it a day (which would be the FOV of the actual magic 2 IRCCM if it was correct, as it should go down to around 0.47º).
As for IRL performances, I remember seeing the specs on an IIR seeker with a pixel resolution of about 10x less (0.05º), and considering that only a few pixels should be required to get a lock, that’d would make IRCCM actually insane (currently IR AGMs in game have 0.1º FIV and are basically unflaranle, and IIR seeker are actually in the realm of 2x better)
They obviously won’t make them “unflarable”
But yeah, probably like 0.4 gatewidth or something thereabout
Also if they implement their datalink it could be quite potent … I.e. lock the enemy with radar or other sensors and guide the missile in until impact (or until “unflarable distance”) to avoid countermeasures …
This is the offical description of the ASRAAM shot:
The firing was conducted from an F/A-18 fighter aircraft, at low level and typical fighter speed, at a target located behind the fighter at a range in excess of 5km. The result was a direct hit on the target. The engagement simulated a “chase down” situation by an enemy fighter and successfully demonstrated the potential for an all-round self protection capability with the ASRAAM.
As it was a chase down scenario the target was likely fairly close to directly behind the launch aircraft, rather than just being behind the wing line.
I don’t know about IRIS-T. There was a derivative of ASRAAM called Typhoon, which was offered as a competitor to Brimstone. It supposedly retained ASRAAM’s original IIR seeker for guidance, so that would suggest ASRAAM is cable of tracking and attacking ground targets.
That said I doubt ASRAAM would be effective against anything more than soft skinned targets though as its warhead is relatively small (Typhoon would have used a tandem HEAT warhead). Same goes for Sidewinder in that respect though, try them out in protection analysis, they do sod all damage against anythign remotely armoured.
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Yeah, probably a last ditch use case against howitzers or pickups