Yep, so that is possibly 1 point in favour of ASRAAM, the only non-TVC Gen 5
Considering they avoided having a video showing its missile launch compared to other SPAA devblogs, I would venture to guess it’s not ready yet.
yeah about, apparantly chaff smokes dont work against brimstones
Not that they work against Brimstone
If we are at that stage, then they should isntead just add [ASRAAM] Typhoons.
But even then, additions like Brimstone 2 and Spear-3 exist too, even without MMW theyd be enough
honestly i think it might not be the missle they have issues with
Yeah. they said a video just wasnt readyl, but who knows.
Anyway, I was more interested in the fact that the Devblog didnt mention IIR at all.
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Well, currently TVC is really an issue at very low speed. I’ve haven’t gotten MICA spin out in ages, and I usually fire them above 500km/h. I believe the devs have hard limited the maximum angle the TVC can take for the R73 and MICA still, but that does not prevent them to reach their top G load as well as the little boost from TVC (even if nerfed), so it’s still a very tight pull. It does however destroy the range of those missiles and the ASRAAM might be able to capitalize on that in gamme
it didint mention anything about the performance of the IRIS-T
it only said it will get added
Yep, which given the lecture we got on Brimstone, was… interesting…
Anyway, might be time to start ass-kicking for BOL to be properly modeled as a defence if IIR is actually modeled
That’s not a sure thing anyways (It will very much depend on the exact seeker and exact chaff particles used and their amount and density etc) …
But let’s assume it doesn’t … Who cares … Still a better compromise than no mmW at all …
True. Though at this point and their hard requirement for it to be 100% accurate or not at all. Id be a little miffed if they then turned around and went “actually, we’ve just decided to make them be blocked by smoke”
I would expect IIR to just act as a better gate width IRCCM. Probably they’ll give us something like 0.4º FOV and call it a day (which would be the FOV of the actual magic 2 IRCCM if it was correct, as it should go down to around 0.47º).
As for IRL performances, I remember seeing the specs on an IIR seeker with a pixel resolution of about 10x less (0.05º), and considering that only a few pixels should be required to get a lock, that’d would make IRCCM actually insane (currently IR AGMs in game have 0.1º FIV and are basically unflaranle, and IIR seeker are actually in the realm of 2x better)
They obviously won’t make them “unflarable”
But yeah, probably like 0.4 gatewidth or something thereabout
Also if they implement their datalink it could be quite potent … I.e. lock the enemy with radar or other sensors and guide the missile in until impact (or until “unflarable distance”) to avoid countermeasures …
This is the offical description of the ASRAAM shot:
The firing was conducted from an F/A-18 fighter aircraft, at low level and typical fighter speed, at a target located behind the fighter at a range in excess of 5km. The result was a direct hit on the target. The engagement simulated a “chase down” situation by an enemy fighter and successfully demonstrated the potential for an all-round self protection capability with the ASRAAM.
As it was a chase down scenario the target was likely fairly close to directly behind the launch aircraft, rather than just being behind the wing line.
I don’t know about IRIS-T. There was a derivative of ASRAAM called Typhoon, which was offered as a competitor to Brimstone. It supposedly retained ASRAAM’s original IIR seeker for guidance, so that would suggest ASRAAM is cable of tracking and attacking ground targets.
That said I doubt ASRAAM would be effective against anything more than soft skinned targets though as its warhead is relatively small (Typhoon would have used a tandem HEAT warhead). Same goes for Sidewinder in that respect though, try them out in protection analysis, they do sod all damage against anythign remotely armoured.
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Yeah, probably a last ditch use case against howitzers or pickups
Or during the Falklands, enemy surface ships :D
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Well that’s where the alternate discussion about the Typhoon missile comes from. Utilising an ASRAAM
seeker and body, smaller motor apparently 15km range, with IIRC a PARS-3 warhead and a triple rack.
Here is an alternate picture to what flame sent
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Not necessarily
The launch platform could have made a partial turn to decrease the angle then make the shot …
The text you posted doesn’t clearly indicate a target on direct 6, and even if it was, “at a range in excess of 5km” is quite a lot …
This brochure advertises it as being able to hit targets “behind the wing-line” … The fact that they explicitly mention “behind the wing-line” makes me think it’s not that great for hitting targets on direct 6 or close to it …
https://mbdainc.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/MBDA-ASRAAM1.pdf
The press release also states this, which you seem to be ignoring:
successfully demonstrated the potential for an all-round self protection capability with the ASRAAM.
All round self protection would include targets directly behind the launch aircraft.
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