Do you really want to dispute the fact that MICA / MICA NG has a significant range advantage over ASRAAM?
As for seeker range, both missiles probably need to use datalink updates to utilize their maximum range.
Though, if enemy is not maneuvering, they could perhaps get to seeker range using INS and without datalink update … (I.e. if enemy is aware you use sensors + datalink update and if enemy is not aware yet, you can launch without datalink update using INS only)
Irregardless of that which I wouldn’t dispute by the way, MICA NG literally isn’t even in service, its not some trump card and its essentially irrelevant for the current time period.
This is exactly way a range of more than 40-50km just wasnt needed for an IR missile, for the UK anyway.
Well, you ignored the next line …
And MICA’s range would allow a greater range against “unaware target or a target who is currently flying away from you”
Sure, speed can have its advantages
But I’m just saying this whole “ASRAAM was designed to be fast because with modern IIR missiles you need to hit the enemy before he hits you” doesn’t even make sense …
If IIR missiles are unavoidable, then merely hitting the enemy before he hits you is not gonna solve your problem … You want to launch before he even has a chance to launch and you need range for that, not just speed …
NG exist tho. It was test fired, trialed and is due to enter service later this year, but that’s beside the point (aside from the fact that it would be able to use its TVC at longer range thanks to the independent dual pulse motor)
How so?
i am here sitting and only thinking hehe IRIS-T missle defense system, clear wvr dog fight winner
Likely wont matter in WT since missile interception is pretty reliable and easy to do, and I doubt gaijin will bother modelling the ability to slave to systems to be used as a hardkill APS.
Theres also technically no proof other missiles cant do it irl beyond the fact that IRIS-T is the only one to mention this capability.
As for the ASRAAM speed vs MICA range discussion, having longer max range does not necessarily mean longer max NEZ. The ASRAAM may be designed to have the largest max NEZ, which would effectively negate the MICAs range advantage. Its possible this is why the UK emphasized the F-pole over total range.
Id like to point out that the F-pole test done likely wasnt a launch at a preset range, but instead a launch at the max range of both missiles respectively. Itd make no sense to compare f-poles at a preset range.
Had a quick look at this. If I am mathing right from my previous classes on supersonic regimes, I got the following Mach speed for different altitude for skin heating on a flat surface (not considering hotspot on the nose)
3km : Mach 4.3
9km : Mach 4.8
15km : Mach 4.96
It seems overall from that that the ASRAAM was developed as a Mach 5 capable missile (at high altitude)
Well, any fox 3 can shoot down other fox 3s/ir missiles, IDK why people think IRIS-T is special, especially when paired with an aesa/pesa radar
I know, still the better dog fight missle out of the 3
Also, went it comes to missiles destroying other missiles, I think there’s a need to consider the failure rate. Maybe IRIS-T performs better since it was design with this capability in mind, but if it fails, it’s a sure death for the carrier.
If you follow the Onion (don’t be there, don’t be seen, don’t be shot at…), the point were the IRIS-T acts is very close to « don’t die ». The rafale has very recently seen what it is like to relay on hard kill systems, since its SPECTRA jamming was visibly not capable of stoping whatever missile killed it. IRIS-T and other missiles destroying missiles is a last resort that I would not want to use.
That’s also why I’m a bit struggling with the « ASRAAM faster so it’s better » logic, since I would rather want a longer range missile to make sure the enemy just can’t shoot at me, even if I need to wait a few more seconds to kill them
Cuz irl missile interception of small and/or very fast objects is a lot more complex than in-game, and the game likely makes it much too easy for missiles to intercept eachother, to the point of seemingly biasing missile guidance systems towards other missiles instead of the original target.
Not worth a whole lot if you cant make it to the dogfight.
The only time the IRIS-T could be superior is if its missile interception capability is unique to it. This would allow the plane to inercept incoming fox 3’s while you fire back fox 3’s from much more dangerous energy states and ranges, but seeing as ingame missile interception is common, its unlikely to be any good once longer ranged missiles arrive.
Its war thunder.
There still plenty times you get to close combat even with bvr
Unless you wanted to intercept a drone, or gotten into a regular jet interception that went wrong, I find it pretty unlikely that 2 enemy jets would end up in the range of the IRIS-T, since nowadays even passive detection methods far outrange the practical range of the missile, meaning you’d have fired all your long range fox 3s and longer range than IRIS-T fox 2s at the enemy. So if someone carrying IRIS-T ended up in the practical range to kill an enemy, said enemy would probably have ran out of missiles long ago and would already be going back to safety
Not if the other jets have longer ranged IR missiles that are near impossible to defeat
Just like ASRAAM has a range advantage over IRIS-T, MICA has a range advantage over ASRAAM
But unlike ASRAAM which is disadvantaged vs IRIS-T at very close ranges, MICA is actually better than ASRAAM at very close ranges, thanks to its thrust vectoring …
People say “But at ranges that MICA out-ranges ASRAAM, EF can just use Meteor or AMRAAM instead”
But the same could be said here … “At ranges that ASRAAM out-ranges IRIS-T, the German EF can just use Meteor or AMRAAM instead”
I don’t see how a 15-20km Meteor / AMRAAM shot would be less lethal than a 50km one …
speed and pull ASRAAM is for WVR and speed it will outperform it
Even at greater ranges that you claim the MICA has the adavantage an AMRAAM would do better (These ranges are out of it seeker range)
Stop thinking about range as just distance, it’s about time. There’s a window where ASRAAM will hit the target faster than your BVR missile. If the enemy hasn’t fired yet, the quicker you can hit him the better.