As I said above, that’s a bit contradictory
If IIR missiles are so good that you can’t escape, you don’t want to “kill the enemy before he kills you”
You want to kill the enemy before he launches (“the undefeatable missile”) at you … And range is what enables that, not speed …
But it would still be detectable and always on
Find it dishonest that you think that MICA-IR is a WVR but also a BVR
Like people have said it wasn’t comparing to MICA and acting like people were lying to say that was is just dishonest itself
That’s not the point though
They could technically add a way to turn radar altimeter off (say game option), and you could turn it off without losing much …
MAW on the other hand, is quite critical and will become even more critical moving forward … You will lose a significant defensive capability by turning it off …
Radar altimeter is honestly currently more of a “cool factor” can’t remember the last time I actually used it … Due to measuring the altitude directly below you it’s not even that useful for avoiding terrain in Gaijin’s fantasy world that sometimes is completely covered by clouds …
Plus, almost all (top tier) planes have radar altimeters, but not all planes have a radar based MAW …
What happens when you have a lot of speed and low drag
“A lot of speed” and “low drag” are relative terms
It’s quite clear that IR MICA (Let alone IR MICA NG) will out range ASRAAM by quite a margin …
But do you know what band the MAWS is and what the detection range would be
Like what is even the wavelength do you even know if your RWR can detect it
Based on what
And i mean MICA IR and not NG which doesn’t really exist yet
I suppose the point is MICA IR is a BVR missile with an IR seeker strapped to it, not a WVR missile.
In a fight between IRIS-T, Aim-9X, R-74, Python-5 and ASRAAM. ASRAAM would hit first and kill first.
It’s like arguing that R-27ET is superior to Magic II due to its better range
I mean it kinda is
It’s both BVR and WVR due to its long range and thrust vectoring
Technically you could say ASRAAM also has BVR capability, but obviously not as much as MICA or MICA NG …
but its not a WVR that is not what MBDA call it so why would you expect it to be a WVR in MBDAs charts
Technically most BVR missiles are WVR.
It makes sense when you consider the design philosophy of the missile. The basic idea is that modern IR missiles are almost unavoidable, therefore if one is fired at you then you’re probably dead, at which point you don’t really care whether you kill him or not.
Therefore it is reasoned that the only way to reliably win such an engagement is to kill the enemy before they have a chance to fire their missile. So you need a missile that so fast enough that you can fire it and have it impact the enemy aircraft before the enemy has the chance to fire their own missile in return.
I am expecting soviet mains to use the R-37M at sub 1km ranges when its added
Not quite the same IMO
MICA still has the close range agility due to its thrust vectoring (which R-27ET lacks compared to Magic II)
Plus, both are IIR
Magic II’s seeker is quite a bit better than R-27ET
Yeah, but R-27ET has better range.
Sure, and that does give it an advantage over Magic II in scenarios that the enemy doesn’t see the missile and doesn’t have MAW
But because of its worse seeker and lack of close range agility, it’s worse than Magic II up close (I.e. it can’t hit shots that Magic II would be able to hit)
But MICA has thrust vectoring and IIR seeker like ASRAAM, so it doesn’t suffer from that problem
In fact, if we are talking up close (point black) there are probably shots that MICA can hit that ASRAAM can’t …
Maybe, but as explained previously. If you are getting into sub 2-3km fights with ASRAAM, you are using ASRAAM wrong.
The Rafale will have already been killed by an ASRAAM long before they’ve gotten into the ultra short range position where its TVC is useful.
If the Rafale is fighting an IRIS-T equipped Typhoon in those kinds of fights, then its at a disadvantage.
Again, I don’t know why you all come to that same conclusion
If IIR missiles are “unavoidable”, then you want to launch before the enemy launches
And range is what enables that, not speed
Speed only makes sure your missile reaches him before his missile reaches you …
Range means you can launch before he even gets within range to launch …
And what is the range of both
What is the range of both seekers
