The same is true for the R-27, which pulls 35G’s.
-edit- not off topic, discussion regarding the overload of missiles based on target G loading
As an example, if G loading must be at least 3x target overload to hit the target it can be no less than 3x target overload. This does not preclude it from being more than 3x target overload. The same goes for Meteor and any other ordnance.
Maybe I misunderstood his reply or something but it seemed the connotations were that people applied target overload requirements and the “3x minimum” rule to justify claims of poor maneuvering performance for other long range missiles. This just isn’t true, and out to certain ranges these ordnances should have similar maneuvering performance to other fox-3’s and show parity with the Meteor.
The question about that is, at what ranges does the Meteor catch up and outperform them? Is it possible to close the distance with the Meteor slingers and give them a run for their money or are you too far into the MAR at that point?
Thoughts? @Gunjob I know you have the sources to aid discussion on this.
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Oh, and @x_Shini a polite “please let’s not drag this into a discussion about Russian missile capability” or something would be nice. The last time I watched you guys tear your own thread apart I had not commented for nearly 150 comments and you guys were STILL derailing your own thread to insert jabs and nonsense. So let’s not pretend I’m the issue here.
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Got a speed , range/time graph.
and an unlabelled NEZ;
Assuming the NEZ is either 120B or 120C5 for the “Current MRAAM”.
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Oh god, wth happend where?
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I’d love to say, but I don’t want my message to be hidden again.
something something probably devolved into Russian missile chatter.
Oh well.
mmmm mmmmm mmmmmmmmmm
Very nice.
Would it not be C-5, seeing as that’s probably the “current” MRAAM on Typhoon being used by UK/Germany before Meteor?
German Typhoons operate the 120B still iirc. But when it comes to NEZ 120B and 120C5 aren’t that much different. Its only at range where the 120C5 makes the most improvement.
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Operated, they’re now using/going to use 120C-8s as 120Bs have reached the end of their shelf life.
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Yeah I heard about the 120C8 order, but atleast at the time the MBDA presentation will have been made it was before this recent order.
Holy flag system
the presentation also juts says current mraams. not “currently deployed amraams on Eurofighters” so it could be just about anything
Sure, but MBDA is targeting AMRAAM customers specifically given the missiles compatibility with AMRAAM rails and eject launchers.
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So what is the rear aspect launch range of AIM-120 according to the other docs? Seems we can get a ballpark estimate of performance here
For reference In game, at sea level it’s 6km for the AIM120 A/B against a target going M1.1
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Scenario 1 Details:
Launch Aircraft: Mach 0.9 @ 5,000 ft
Target Aircraft: Mach 0.9 @ 500 ft
Expected max range: 9.1 kmScenario 2 Details:
Launch aircraft: Mach 0.8 @ 25,000 ft
Target Aircraft: Mach1.4 @ 30,000 ft
Expected max range: 15.5 km
These are the two rear aspect shots we have data for.
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Important to note those are maximum range shots though, whereas the slide appears to be more concerned with the no escape zone.