Those figures are uninstalled thrust. Installed thrust losses is almost always ~9% regardless of airframe or intake. Few exceptions exist, for example A-10 or B-52.
What’s the empty weight of the EFT in the dev as of now?
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Idk if it was Gunjob or flame they said static installed thrust in-game was modeled after documentation and is accurate already.
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I think I recall seeing something saying the installed thrust be a little to low I think it was fireball but it means digging back deep into the thread
You could be right, haven’t seen it myself but I’ll ask around, I was under the impression it should be >3%, but probably more than the 0.75% it originally had though.
Yeah, that’s just a statcard thing.
You need to check thrust values with WRTI in game.
Sorry - but this is plainly incorrect and a number of aeronautics types would probably hurl their technical books at you if you dared utter such a thing in their presence. At worst, you are looking sub 5% if the work is sloppy.
It might be the case that Russian technology loses almost 10% of actionable thrust due to dubious airframe design - however I can’t think of any Western high-performance airframe that knobbles the efficiency of it’s engines to the degree you claim. If anything, it would make an utter mockery of the thousands of hours spent in wind-tunnels expressly crafting an aircraft to match it’s intended powerplant.*
*Which is why so many aircraft programs have been buggered by some bright spark deciding to swap the engine type/configuration AFTER the airframe design…
Long story - don’t go there.
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any updates to the typhoon regarding cockpit & hmd for the fgr? or is it still only the german one
still on the German one
💔 man i just wanna see my silly mfds…
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they also f the thrust to weight of it
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EF dosent display locked Targets on HUD in Simulator battles
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/SbH326FO8val
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Show me a single book on turbofans that shows less than 9% installed thrust losses.
For example; MIL-E curve as outlined in ‘MIL-E-5007’; It should be noted that this document was replaced in 1997 and also shows the document is approved for public distribution.
This is the methods for calculating installed thrust and how the US should detail the performances of their turbines in the classified manuals. It doesn’t share actual engine data, only how it must be calculated and displayed. It has an entire section explaining how installed thrust must be calculated and shown in the relevant performance documentation.
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Intake losses usually around 9-10% sometimes higher depending on design. Not less.
If Typhoon thrust is 90kN on the bench it cannot be 90kN installed, that is just how the world works.
@BBCRF knows more of the Russian side of things, but the thrust losses are calculated the same way because physics works the same for Russians as it does Americans. Europe is not special.
Flame has a report in for it being wrong
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I’m so jealous of the Germans at the moment, the British one doesnt have access to the cockpit yet so can’t have a play in sim controls properly yet
why wouldnt they just copy paste the cockpit model from the german EF tho
are there any differences?
Hopefully when we get it though they will have implemented isurus’ report on the switches being backlit irl.
The current eurofighter cockpit might be the best in the game.
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You DO realise that computational abilities and aviation design in general has moved since 1997 don’t you…
Your logic is akin to arguing that cars were calculated as having long braking distances in the 1960s (with drum brakes and cross-ply tyres) so ergo that same calculation MUST surely apply to a vehicle designed in 2024.
If you want an example from the late Cold War with minimal losses from the ground rig to as-installed - look no further than the RB199 as applied to the Tornado. Quite a clever bit of kit - which also powered the EAP (Typhoon progenitor until the superior EJ200 became available).
However if you want to abide by the calculations that were rendered defunct literally two generations ago - then knock yourself right out.
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@Gunjob this one we should adress for the sake of everyones grind xD else we are rocking 4 missles until tier 4 mods
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/3m01zI8SZblu
[DEV] Eurofighter Stock Loadout position should be changed
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The intake and engine of the Eurofighter has not.
Comparing 1960’s brakes to 2024 brakes is a stretch when comparing a 1997 document to an engine that was first run in 1991 on an airframe that flew in 1994.
The RB199 is not special, the thrust rating was incorrectly stated for bench vs installed as they must not have followed a similar doctrinal system as the US DOD’s MIL-E-5007/8 standards. The new restricted documents will show the same, physics didn’t just change just because the currently in-use documentation is restricted.
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