Well in the above video you can see me and @WaretaGarasu cleaning up with Brimstone.
Last time I had a match with 0 SPAA. I was average 2 or 3 hits with Brimstones for a kill and so was just relying on my PW4s to get kills, but was really annoying when there was 2 or 3 targets in an area and I was forced to engage 1 at a time and when the first died, the others defended with smoke.
But 12-18x Brimstones to deal with a singel Pantsir is rather insane imo, let alone if they have 2 or 3 and thats just what we have now.
Its also annoying that Brimstones have 0 value in ASB at the moment on either the GR4 or FGR4. To the point i’ve never run them. PGM-500s would allow you to at least deal with the convoy SPAA in a single volley for example instead of loitering for ages engaging 1 target at a time in enemy air space.
In either case. the fact we have Brimstone 1s on the Typhoon or even the Tornado instead of Brimstone 2s is just insane.
My own experience is 1 hit 1 kill, I can count on 1 hand the number of times my brimstone failed to 1 tap something. Probably more of an issue with the AI targets than Brimstone.
I have no idea then, but I was getting hits left right and centre. I find them extremely inconsistant, so I generally double tap every attack with them.
Very likely to be the AI targets being a bit shit with terrain, I’ve seen them phase through terrain and the TGP locks can be very off from what appears to be the vehicles actual position.
I will say if there is zero SPAA then yeah you can get a lot of kills, the issue is because you have to hover over the battlefield it only takes one person jumping in SPAA, where as with say 6 MAVs you shoot them off and dip with no fear of retaliation, like is the kill potential far lower? yes but its also far safer in this scenario
No, this was player targets in GSB. I never run Brimstones in ASB, only ever PW4s because at least I can FnF them against the static targets. Its dangerous enough in ASB at the moment with Su-30s and Rafales buzzing about to take the few seconds to drop some PW4s. let alone loiter for 5 minutes killing 1 target at a time and announcing to the entire match exactly where you are. and thats in the Typhoon.
In the Tornado it would be more like 10 minutes and you stand no chance vs the Mig-29s
Yeah well I’m not arguing there is no value in FnF, that would be insane. What I am arguing is that somehow Brimstone is useless and that PGM-500 will be the saviour when its only upside is FnF and its terrible in almost all other categories. I use them on GR4 in ARB as mini Storm Shadows for bases, their use in GRB is very very limited by the SPAA they will face.
I would say PGM-500/2000 is one of the easier intercepted weapons out there, don’t even need a Pantsir for it. I wouldn’t put any stock in the ability for the Flakbus with VT-1s on defeating Brimstone. But it would clap a PGM-500/2000 without issue.
I think what is needed is for Gaijin to hurry up and add MMW.
This continued denial of it sucks both for the Apache and for the Tornado/Typhoon.
With new SPAA coming, it will be needed sooner rather than later.
You can barely fight a Pantsir with Brimstone 1s . How we are meant to deal with S300s or whatever the soviets are getting is beyond me.
TBF I dont think MMV brimstones would help you there lmao
Spear-3s would at very long ranged volleys
Oh that’s actually easier than Pantsir haha, if you can fire a brimstone from tree top at a S-300 battery it cannot stop that missile. Hell you could at SL throw PW4 at it and it couldn’t help itself. The only challenge is keeping low enough, past that its toast.
SDB also completely defeats an S-300 battery, so F-15E’s etc can saturate multiple batteries.
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Pantsir player fear Typhoon the most because of Brimstone and the flight model and thats why you will always be focussed by a Pantsir in a Typhoon!
The fact you have so many missiles that a Pantsir needs to shoot down with no range restrictions makes the Typhoon really scary.
But in terms of actual impacting the game 2 passes with a Typhoon maybe 3 kills vs Su-30…Kh-38 and 6 kills in one go.
Then I really hope we get GPS-Only Spear-3s then.
At least give us something equal to what everyone else has.
Just frustrating.
Can we have a FnF AGM like AGM-65 or KH-38MT?
Nope you arent allowed MMW
Can we have a SAL AGM like KH-38ML?
Nope, Brimstone 2 would be too OP
Can we have a GPS guided stand off weapon like GBU-39?
Nope Spear-3 is jet powered and would be too OP
Just feels like the Typhoon is getting beaten down for the sake of punishing the Typhoon nations. Heck we still have a placeholder radar that barely works after 5 months.
I tried a few matches in GSB, but nothing I could do vs the Pantsirs. I tried playing ASB and the radar just drove me nuts, playing with 9Ms only vs Su-30s spamming R-77-1s at you is not fun gameplay. So for now i’ve just abdandoned the Typhoon, been having fun base bombing in the GR4 recently and will be looking forward to the SHars when they get their usable HUD
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Pantsir when i unload my whole payload on it:
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Sometimes the spite play surviving and heading back to rearm is the correct play ha ha
Why would they be GPS only? If we eschew the mmW component then it has the PW4 guidance method already present in game.
No one to my knowledge has denied SPEAR-3 for being too OP? Its a SAL+IOG/GPS weapon when you ignore the mmW component, but even with its comical range, its still a tandem HEAT/frag weapon exactly like Brimstone. So I can’t see how needing a direct impact would be OP.
I think you’re shadow boxing a strawman you’ve made of the devs here.
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Figuring that SAL+GPS on a long ranged stand-off weapon would be considered too OP as we havent gotten the GBU-53? Yet which is the same. So further artificially nerfing it to be GPS-Only as a way of increasing the chance of getting it maybe required.
Whenever it has been brought up in other threads there are calls for it being OP and that the only way it could be added is with GBU-53 or Grom-1s and devs quite often listen to the US/Soviet communities for input.
All I see is the Typhoon with Brimstone 1s instead of Brimstone 2s. SAL instead of MMW, a placeholder radar that barely works and a long list of bug reports that never seem to get fixed. Heck, where even is ePaveway II for the FGR4? That could have been added like a year ago for the GR7 and the fact its not even in game yet especially for the Typhoon is just insane.
SHar and Tornado have simply taught me the devs just dont care. We will have to wait a year or more for any fix and when they do come, they’ll be half finished anda buggy mess.
The fact after 5 months we dont even have CAPTOR-M yet. I think expecting even Brimstone 2s this major update is asking for too much, let alone Spear-3s
ive seen people trying to claim it would be op because “cruise missile” lol
Bro