The report used 3 other documents with reference to performance.
This report is currently open still.
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Yes 82 kN is 8,361.7 kg which is a total of 16,723.3 kg for two engines.
However ~82 kN is static thrust used for the estimates and does not include channel losses (or whatever you want to call it).
IIRC Gaijin use ~5.5% as the channel loss for Eurofighter, so if you apply that same channel loss to the 82 kN static thrust you get 77.9 kN (7,944 kgf) per engine as thrust to test with in game.
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Those videos are not even worth discussing. We have no way of telling:
- What the fuel load is
- Whether the engines are actually at full afterburner
- Whether the aircraft is changing speed or altitude (if so it’s not a sustained turn)
- What speed the aircraft is flying at (the 20°/s requirement is specifically for Mach 0.65)
They provide no useful information within the context of this discussion.
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Channel losses are included in the estimate, it states that explicitly.
They include channel losses in their modelling, but they are applied in addition to the various other thrust reductions they mention. If you tally up those thrust reductions you get to ~82.1 kN of thrust before accounting for channel losses.
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In that case, its not a 1:1 comparison from 90kN, your channel loss % should come from 87.3 kN (uninstalled, but with the nozzle fitted) (the final aircraft uses the same nozzle as well).
Then you have 2.6% loss total, which if applied to 82.1kN results in 79.9kN, or 159.8kN/16295kgf total, which is just 200kgf under what I tested with which is not much of a difference. 107% THR is 16141kgf, which is 154 kgf under that, which I can test if you want.
That’s my bad in assuming that the 2.7kN was for both the nozzle and being installed in the acft
and if you ignore the above entirely, 77.9 kN is 106% which it also overperforms with.
I also kept lowering throttle on the previous FM until it could meet the STR given in the performance estimate and that ended up being 71kN / 103%, so there’s still a fair way to go anyways.
Watch 103THR | Streamable ← more or less the same deal in the current iteration
No matter how you slice it, its overperforming in STR with this data.
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I pull 15/14g fully loaded to notch FOX3s with my Rafale right before I send a off bore MICA at the enemy at ranges as low as possible.
One reason why I do well in Rafale while I rather struggle in Eurofighter.
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It really isn’t.
What game are you plaing? I want it too.
Its called: “Blabbering at midnight”. You should try it.
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Sure sounds interesting.
It quite literally is actually
Weakest radar
Weakest A2G
Average A2A (if not weaker in a number of situations)
The only thing going for it is a slightly above average FM which Gaijin keeps nerfing despite sources to the contrary.
And that’s without mentioning other nerfs like the state of BOL, IRST or DASS
If they fix the radar, FM and A2G loadout, along with some other rather critical bug fixes i’d agree, but at the moment I’d place the Rafales Su-30 and F-15E/I above it currently, given the meta is missiles not guns.
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Again it’s radar is nowhere near the weakest, it’s a2a is fine and a fairly strong loadout, no comment on a2g as I do not play gamemodes where that’s relavent, and I was notably explicitly talking about flight performance which none of these factors effect.
And FM is irrelevant most of the time given the meta
If flight performance doesn’t matter why is the hornet the worst 14.0 aircraft?
Also like I’m taking about flight performance not air rb, it has the best flight performance in the game. That is a verifiable fact
Because US mains are bad at the game.
But realistically, raw FM performance is only relevant in gunfights which happen rarely
So are every other nation mains in the game, there is no difference in skill level across nations
Okay and? Even if that was true it still would have the best flight performance in the game
In a meta where radar performance is critical, a radar that doesn’t work half the time has a major impact. Given it’s missiles are also average at best. It holds very slim advantages over anything else it faces.
Typhoon needs massive overhauls and buffs