Eurofighter Typhoon (UK versions) - Technical data and discussion (Part 1)

[MythicPi]

As can be seen here, the DASS format MFD does not display incoming missiles in the cockpit, which effectively makes all the MAWS changes the EFT got during this update worthless if you fly in sim without the in-game RWR overlay. I have a short clip and will be making a bug report for this critical missing feature.

One thing I need to test quickly first is that maybe its due to the ranges involved, since the DASS format is permanently locked at 40NMi (good for irl, not so good for in-game), so maybe the missile range was too short to have it show up at all, but I’m pretty sure thats not the case and gaijin has just once again forgotten to model stuff in the EFT’s cockpit properly…

As a sidenote, tho it likely wouldn’t be accurate to IRL (at least afaik), the ability to downscale the DASS display range would be nice… 40NMi (~74km) is massive, and makes it ludicrously hard to figure out where threats are when within ~15nmi, which is when the vast majority of WT engagements occur.

The 40NMi likely wouldn’t be an issue irl either since the HMD would presumably be displaying all friendly and hostile targets real time locations, alongside missiles using the data from all available sensors, but seeing as that’s not the case in-game, its a bit more of a significant problem for situational awareness…

@Flame2512

No the problem is very much the Devs not fixing the radar. Sensor fusion would be very nice to have for Eurofighter and Rafale, but even without it the CAPTOR-M should be a very capable radar by itself. Not a downgrade from previous M-scan radars.

I have some clips of the radar in action and they’re likely to just about make you throw up ngl. Too big for the forums tho, I’ll see if I can send it on discord.

Edit: couldnt send them on discord, so here’s 1/4 for an example:

CAPTOR-L(iability) spends more time tracking thin air then enemy jets when using TWS, and this is with a relatively slow jet, flying towards me, in a predictable pattern. I’d hazard a guess at saying if you arent using STT vs an actual player, you might as well just not use the radar at all. Otherwise, have fun trying to not get your missiles notched when the radar is by default pointing the AMRAAM’s seeker at the chaff instead of the enemy jet…

[Metaltank1990]

Alright this is getting incredibly annoying. is there an existing report in for the MAW being unable to correlate SARH missiles to radar warnings, and dumping flares as a result?

[ShOt_MaCkEr]

-I walk into the room after thermonuclear explosion. Gosh darn it! The switch is broken!

[Flame2512]

@Metaltank1990

is there an existing report in for the MAW being unable to correlate SARH missiles to radar warnings, and dumping flares as a result?

Not that I’m aware of. I suggest you make one.

[ShOt_MaCkEr]

They think it’s enough, lol

[MiG_23M]

I’m surprised you haven’t already

[Gunjob]

Not that I know of, however I’d be interested to know how far out of the main beam the missile is when the MAW picks it up and ID’s it as an IR missile. I’m wonder if its far enough off from the CW beam centre if it loses association with the emissions, after all the SARH missiles don’t emit.

[Flame2512]

@MiG_23M

I’m surprised you haven’t already

I’ve barely had any time to play the Eurofighter (or WT in general) since the update. Besides I’d rather not have the WT community rely on me to single-handedly report every issue with the Eurofighter.

[Metaltank1990]

Might see if I can get some proper tests done like what I did on dev. Not exactly thrilled to sit down for an hour and a half going through the replay and writing up a summary though.

edit: preliminary look from a recent replay is not looking good.

Launched flares for this AIM-7M

…And this one.

…And this one?? for some reason.

I have no words.

No chaff was launched for the entire engagement apart for one which i popped manually accidentally. I’ll put together a report. If anyone has sources pls post cause i don’t have any on this beyond “there is absolutely no reasonable way”.

Additionally, shouldn’t the MAW radars themselves be able to identify the missiles?

[joshje100]

I’ve noticed this too when flying the Su-25SM3. I think it’s just sensor fusion being weird. Like how in Test Flight’s it will only launch flares against the ADATS that fires at you.

[Metaltank1990]

That’s understandable as the ADATS has no radar emissions, but if you look at that fourth image… I don’t even know.

[Metaltank1990]

Additional testing. For whatever reason it works on R-27s more than it does AIM-7s. No comment on that one.

[Celestia]

@Gunjob

Is there any particular reason why the thrust of the eurofighter gradually drops by as much as 25% during sustained high G manuvers? But when you return to level flight the thrust does not immediately return to normal levels and takes 10-15 seconds to ‘reset’

It’s making the EF lose a ton of speed during high G turns, but then also making it impossible to regain speed and energy when you increase your turn radius.

I am not able to replicate this issue on any other jet to this extent. All other aircraft seem to lose a much smaller % of thrust, and regain maximum thrust pretty darn quickly when exiting a turn.

The EF engines are just so slow to respond…

[MythicPi]

Thats an interesting thing I hadnt considered was a possibility in-game, you using WTRTI for that data?

[Celestia]

At first it was just something I could just feel with how the aircraft responded to control inputs, but then confirmed with WRTI.

Tightening down the turn results in a massive loss of speed if you don’t manage to rip your wings at 12g, it only takes a few seconds of turning to half your speed. But then flattening out the turn to try and regain some energy resulted in it taking several seconds to start accelerating at a decent rate again.

It’s something that just doesn’t happen to this extent on other aircraft.

[ShOt_MaCkEr]

According to our collective statements, all the issues and evidence - I think I have an Idea about how EF’s balancing team looks like

Spoiler

[luque13]

It is ridiculous, at high alt the jet just falls out of the sky when you turn hard.

Feels like a Tornado F.3 with that level of energy loss

[ION_GR]

I dont know if it was reported on the SU 30 sm but it got the tint on the fliping HUD but is on the typhoon that have been reporting it missing still doesnt have the bloody tint wwwhhhhyyyyy

[luque13]

It’s even funnier when you consider the Su-30 came to the dev missing it and it was added shortly afterwards.

The same with the slight green glow from the hud when you look at the aircraft externally. Not modelled by Gaijin

[ION_GR]

Thats my problem with them