And nothing classified please
Had to stress that
Well most sources actually give a 0 fuel mass of 11,000kg which is lighter… why would I lie…
Not say you’re lying u just got back it up unless its classified
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Will have to take my word for it I guess 🤷♂️
Gajin won’t
Which would only buff it further, I don’t mind…
You didn’t consider installed thrust losses. The Gaijin standard is 13% afaik which would bring the T/W down to 1.45 as I said. Next slide. (This is considering the 11,000kg weight and not the additional 300kg).
20,000 lbf- thrust class / 1.13 x 2 = 35,398 divided by 11,000kg (24,250 pounds) = 1.459 T/W
If you have better information on installed thrust, they’d go off that instead. Until then… the Gaijin standard it is.
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From the previous source I referenced, the 1.22 thrust to weight was given for 6500 pounds internal fuel. If we do 11,000kg (24,250 pounds + 6,500 pounds) we get around 30,750 pounds weight.
The T/W of 1.22 with that loading would imply 37,515 pounds of thrust which is 6.6% installed thrust losses. We can reference that to try and mitigate the “Gaijin standard”.
giving it an empty mass of 10000kg (the Mk4 atleast)
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Likewise sources claim anywhere from 136 to 155kg weight for AMRAAM variants lol, we’d need a better source. I have a primary source that is available for public distribution that states 11,000kg empty.
11,000kg may well be correct, mine includes pilot mass, oil and integrated weapon stations.
So likely yours is what I should use for the calculation for T/W based on the 1.22 figure. Need to go see what other ordnance might have been on it as the actual thrust might even be higher than 40,000lbf.
It said OCA/DCA combat configuration with 6500 pounds internal fuel. Need to know what the combat configuration is so we can get approximate weight increases…
11,300kg + 6,500 pounds of fuel + ordnance weights x 1.22 = thrust
So 1.46 for eft installed(estimated) vs 1.23 for F-14D
1.46 static for the Eurofighter, 1.23 optimal for F-14B
The F-14 also has a swing wing, whereas Eurofighter has relaxed stability. I think it’s probably pretty close.
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Euro fighter best fighter
Both static at Sea Level Installed, and typhoon may well be higher.
I wouldn’t say that’s close
J-8F T/W ratio is > J-7E but we know which one rates better… there’s more to this.
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The eurofighter also has canards.