There’s a difference between blocks, such as changes to its seeker.
Still going to be an insane missile at close range.
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fair enough, i guess the ASRAAM would have more energy at medium range, though it can’t pull as hard as a 9X.
they are still making the upgraded motor for the 9X though, even after block 3 cancelled, so that will probably make it beat or match current ASRAAM in range
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Its a doctrinally different missile it is never going to be beating the ASRAAM at medium-long range or in outright range imo AIM-9X= high agility, ASRAAM= speed and range in very basic terms. A closer comparison can be drawn between LM Peregrine and ASRAAM though Peregrine has the advantage there in both range and agility, though iirc not speed the tradeoff is Peregrine is also 30 years newer.
idk if it would have been shared with UK, i mean that was top secret, literally Area 51 activity.
The ASRAAM pulls harder than the AIM-9X because the speed is higher but the turn radius is considerably larger after it has been burning and off the rail due to the acceleration.
I sincerely doubt that based on size and aerodynamics alone.
We shared with them several radar development stuff and even wanted to share with them all of the latest missile developments including AIM-120. The only thing we kept from them mostly was the stealth “very low observable” research and techniques - and even that wasn’t entirely withheld.
Interestingly, it is the AIM-120 technical information we provided to them that led to the creation of the ASRAAM - it was the body-lift studies and technology that was realized fully in the ASRAAM program. Raytheon’s proposal for the AMRAAM had a similar design with no mid-body wings.
well, could say that the AIM-9 is 45 years older than the ASRAAM too, doing pretty good for its age imo.
and the new rocket motor is going to have 50-60% range increase so it will probably actually put it on par with ASRAAM in range at least
Should I link my own posts in response to each of those claims to show that you’re lying? Is it worth my time?
This one for example, “requirements forecast to be met” does not mean “requirements met”. What is the point of lying on a public forum?
I did not say it couldn’t, I argued that the thrust was calculated differently than the US and that installed channel losses will still be around 10% when thrust is calculated according to MIL-E-standards up to 1997. The data provided showed installed thrust at various speeds for the Eurofighter Typhoon and it is correct in-game currently for the most part. At least, it seems to be correct a 0.75 mach iirc.
I would agree, and I understand why the 9X was chosen its a good decision in the grand scheme as 9X is perhaps not the best in its class, but good enough.
But also important to note that again 9X was a ‘new’ missile, to which there was an alternative; ASRAAM.
Again I doubt that, its draggier and more constrained in the motor department. Current range on 9X often quoted as ‘more than 10 miles (16km)’ but optimistically we could go with it being 25km, however there’s a number of sources including British documentary stating 50km on ASRAAM and CAMM which is by all regards a heavier missile with the same motor is also quoted as being a 40km missile which uses a soft-launch VLS (so no forward speed is provided by the VLS system). So i am somewhat sceptical.
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Isn’t peregrine set to replace AIM-9 anyway?
i dont actually know? what is its guidance method, i thought it was to have more missiles jammed into say, an F-22
block 2 has range of 20mile so 32 km, 50% incresae with is on the low end, is 48km range which is pretty close
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What missile developments are being sought for Eurofighter?
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It’s ARH with DL, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see an IR seeker as its lighter than both ASRAAM and MICA and even 9X with a higher range quoted than all 3 afaik, with a TVC module too. In my humble opinion, I can see it replacing sidewinder finally after 80+ years.
In the A2A department just Meteor MLU after the JNAAM programme was cancelled. That should tie partner nations over until Tempest which will have its own set of dedicated weapons (A2A included) created and will probably be fielded on Typhoon too by the UK and Italy.
In Germany and Spain’s case there hasn’t been anything announced about A2A missiles for Typhoon or SCAF other than Meteor MLU of course which is an MBDA-wide endeavour and until SCAF has been fully outlined I wouldn’t expect anything as they won’t fully know where capability gaps will lie where they then may choose to develop a new missile if needed.
But also AIM-260 and/or Peregrine I don’t think are too outlandish to assume given -260 will be cheaper than Meteor (particularly MLU) and Peregrine is honestly just a very good missile if the marketing material is even vaguely correct.
The ASRAAM and Iris-T seem to be deemed to be good enough given Iris-T block 2 is about to release and ASRAAM BLK 6 has only just been released with relatively little known about any potential upgrades it may or may not have had.
lol, no.
You really think -260 will be >$2.5million a unit?
sidewinder will never fully disappear, mark my words AIM-9Z-27 will be the most effective close range missile against tyrannid hivemind fighters
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Initially due to low rate production absolutely.
they literally say it will be more expensive than amraam, enough to make amraam complimentary missile
Perhaps, but I expect mass production virtually immediately for P4 F-35 and F-15EX with foreign orders (even if of an export variant which is somewhat unlike the US).
only export F-15EX would be the israeli IA, they will probably get 260 though
AMRAAM is ‘pennies on the dollar’ compared to meteor.
AMRAAM is ~$1.1 million Meteor is~$2.5 million.
If its cheap and good enough it will sell and it has a large margin to be cheaper than Meteor and MLU likely won’t change that unless partners order more than the ~300 each they did on the last one, and that’s assuming that it is integrated no sooner than Meteor which has been endlessly delayed on F-35.
I believe Poland is also interested in the EX.