You mean mad dog?
No, fox-3s can be fired from TWS.
Your suggestion would require a spool up and lock similar to an IR missile, without the radar slaving it there would be no way of doing this without making it essentially just usable like a fox-2… and I don’t really see the point as every aircraft with Fox-3 will have a TWS mode. So select target you want on TWS, arm and launch… it’s the same as real life. No hard lock necessary.
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Yes, more than likely.
Been a while since I played DCS so all the terminology has all but gone
Think he means mad dog, which means with the missile selected, if you press fire it will launch and self guide to a self designated target.
I’ve confused my terminology, I meant mad dog as fireball mentioned.
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Down side to this is you can accidentally fire.
I understand this. It’s pointless. Unless you want to ramp up TK’s… the current methodology of just using TWS and being able to fire without a STT lock is all we need. Otherwise ACM lock, launch… simple stuff really.
Mad dog can be useful for close ranges shots on aircraft without HMD. But yeah ultimately it’s just a realism feature and nothing particularly crazy.
Not exactly pointless as you can use it in a similar way to an IR missile.
I’d rather not be TK’d by a point blank 35+G radar missile constantly.
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I mean you can still get TK’d by high G pulling IR missiles at close ranges.
So nothing really new
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This drastically extends the range and decreases chance of dodging it even if you do notice it. Chaff resistance will be nerfed soon especially in rear aspect.
Oh? Please do tell us more. What about the EF makes it incapable of being used in the modern day?
I said “fully capable”, words have meaning. The Eurofighter simply doesn’t fulfill it’s primary roles very well against modern stealth aircraft. This is a big concern, something they are going to be late to the party with once again. It is what it is. If supplemented by F-35s it could still be useful though, hence I didn’t simply say “incapable entirely”.
You are right words do have meaning, the phrase “is fully capable of performing in modern day (it isn’t)” implies that it is incapable of being used in the modern day. The statement is negating the assertion made before it. So, in essence, both phrases convey the same meaning.
“Muh stealth” The EF has some of the most sophisticated EW systems, to say that it isnt stealthy at-all is just wrong, it also has more than just a radar meaning this “stealth” that is seen on other aircraft is practically irrelevant, what is the point in lets say an f35 carrying less armament(to be stealthy) when it can be seen by pirate?
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From experience, having to look for the enemy and being unable to see him until he is close when he can see you the whole time usually means you lose. I elaborated on what I meant, no need to play semantics further than that. At that point you’re asserting I am saying something I am not to advance your side of the argument.
The Eurofighter would be swatted from the sky and thanks to it’s sensors, it would at least know it was going to be swatted. It just wouldn’t know from where, or who. Go ahead, turn around towards direction of missile launch and try to find the enemy with Pirate… what then? Are you going to launch a radar missile without a track file? Wanna defend that incoming missile?
Because thats how that works… so when the stealth aircraft locks up the EF you think that the RWR suddenly doesn’t work?
When or why would you do that? lets just fly into incoming death :))))
ASRAAM???
No if i was to fire using pirate as slave it would clearly be ASRAM unless someone wanted to leak info (do not do this) telling us that it can be used to slave AMRAAM too.
but lets be honest this no one is flying like this why are you treating the EF pilot like they have no brain?? ontop of this, why do you assume the stealth works 100% perfectly but the EW on the EF is a nill factor?
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I’m not saying you’re entirely wrong, but every current stealth aircraft either have no IRST, or they use an IRST with a laser rangefinder (rather than a passive system), every single one isn’t going to know where the Eurofighter is unless it also knows where they are, Meteor can be fired against radars, ASRAAM functions as an IRST range extender, whats to top the Eurofighter focussing its sensors on that arc as good as stealth is, if you know where to look in something like a Eurofighter or Rafale then you can find that target.
We know that stealth interferes with targeting systems, not search systems, furthermore ECRS MK.2 has multiple bands, including low bands which can see through stealth. It is also just an exceptional radar system maybe even on par with what the F-35 and F-15 use.
I’m not informed enough to mention EW but the ECRS MK.2 improves upon that of the Gripen E, and yes we know SAAB are delusional for comparing it to F-35 but its a benchmark at least. We are much past the time of the Eurofighter having a sub-standard avionics suite, now i’d say it rivals that of many stealth aircraft.
This is what confuses me whenever people mention the F-22 or others, you can’t kill a Eurofighter, without it knowing where its being killed from, and if it knows that much, it can probably kill you too.
I understand your point but even to say ‘fully capable of performing in modern day (it isn’t).’ I think its flawed. But admittedly ‘probably kill you too’ does not trump ‘will kill you’.
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Low probability of intercept
How else would you use the forward looking infrared against an adversary you can’t see first?
You think the Eurofighter would make it to a merge with an F-35?
AMRAAM / Meteor would be unable to build track data based on the IRST at relevant ranges even by the furthest stretch of the imagination.
Because the stealth is combat proven and the EW isn’t?
Very doubtful, the low probability of intercept is a big requirement for stealth aircraft radars.
At what ranges? You know this with some degree of certainty?
You’ll know the direction the missile is when it goes active on you, or the optical systems detect it as it’s coming in…
No one is seriously suggesting the Eurofighter has any chance of killing an F-35 outside of some Tom Cruise piloting an enemy F-14-esque behavior.
Whilst we are on the topic of Meteor, does anyone know why there isn’t some sort of IR Seeker for Meteor to partner with PIRATE?
Given PIRATE is specifically designed to rival stealth aircraft and none of our enemies seem to be capable of manufacturing engines with competent IR shielding, surely it would make sense to have an ultra-long-range IR missile for a passive kill.
Realistically ASRAAM isn’t a MICA, it can’t compete in BVR the same way MICA can.