Sorry, I meant ‘how is the FA.2 going to perform against those aircraft.’ We are much closer to a F-15/SU-27 introduction than to a Typhoon introduction, those will come first if Gaijin only wants to add production Typhoons, only having the FA.2 by that time is going to be rough. We are already the underdog, the F.3 is usable and can get some kills, and everyone is complaining, if the FA.2 is going to be basically the same with some caviats how is it solving anything?
Absolutely nothing to do with either being a brick.
Manoeuvrability only comes into play if you enter WVR combat.
AMRAAM allowed the Shar FA.2 to engage, and kill (simulated) F3s before they got in range.
Point being, it doesn’t matter if it’s a brick, if the weapon allows it to engage hostile aircraft before they become a threat.
Harriers will never be meta, but the FA2 will still be a good opponent when it can engage the enemy from range.
AMRAAM slinging into groups without good radar track data would be potentially a bad idea I think… we will see how that goes.
Just wondering, were the F.3s also using AMRAAMs?
Im genuinely curious how a bvr 1v1 of an F.3 AOP vs FA2 would be
Agreed.
However my plan with any amraam equipped jet would be to start that match with full amraam load, climb, launch at high targets, rtb, reload with a more close in load, then join the remaining fur balls.
Shar FA2 for example, would be takeoff, get high, launch all 4 amraams, rtb, reload with 4 9M and 2 amraam and go in for the fur balls.
At the time, no, this was prior to F3 getting amraam capability.
But again, point still stands, if amraam outrages what your opponent has, being a brick doesn’t matter.
Shar fa2 was the first UK jet equipped with amraams, which is why it’ll be an ideal test bed for amraams when added.
Yes, as you said, it’s a brick, but with missile capability, it won’t be OP or meta.
If AMRAAM is modeled correctly I would continue to takeoff with as many as possible.
If we get true pitbull mode, then Yeah, same.
I don’t know what you mean by that, but we already have pitbull mode for Fox-3s.
Wouldn’t even be close
Sorry?
Do we?
IIRC all ARH missiles in game require aircraft radar lock before launch.
Amraam can be launched and instantly go pitbull, locking on the first target its seeker sees, without a radar lock from the host aircraft.
A Mach 2 capable jet versus a Sub Mach capable jet, with the Mach 2 jet having the ability to fire a missile with longer range as well…
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You mean mad dog?
No, fox-3s can be fired from TWS.
Your suggestion would require a spool up and lock similar to an IR missile, without the radar slaving it there would be no way of doing this without making it essentially just usable like a fox-2… and I don’t really see the point as every aircraft with Fox-3 will have a TWS mode. So select target you want on TWS, arm and launch… it’s the same as real life. No hard lock necessary.
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Yes, more than likely.
Been a while since I played DCS so all the terminology has all but gone
Think he means mad dog, which means with the missile selected, if you press fire it will launch and self guide to a self designated target.
I’ve confused my terminology, I meant mad dog as fireball mentioned.
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Down side to this is you can accidentally fire.
I understand this. It’s pointless. Unless you want to ramp up TK’s… the current methodology of just using TWS and being able to fire without a STT lock is all we need. Otherwise ACM lock, launch… simple stuff really.