There are no “meta” options before Typhoon, unless we start adding random C&Ps from other nations. Even then, no guarantee they’d not be gimped in some major way. The best we can hope for is “usable” FA2 might just about be that. Would certainly hold us over till Typhoon hopefully ASAP
Debatable, we dont know when the Typhoon is coming. How will it perform against F-15s? Flankers? Gripens? It will be yet another mediocre aircraft, in that case I would happily take a C&P from another nation.
Close enough to an F-16, with a much better radar, better 1 circle performance. And colossally better sensors and self defence.
By the fact we’ve not gotten it already and its already been denied for “anytime soon” which means I highly doubt Decemeber. Thats either massive trolling from the Smin or they reckon it actually will be strong. Maybe stronger than those aircraft. But yeah, we’ll have to wait and see. Though there is nothing wrong with being the underdog, heck, if you dont want to be underdog, dont play Britian, i dont think we’ve had anything competetive in years. But we dont need that, we just need something that can manage, even with a challenge. Tornado F3 vs F-16C is just a DOA fight. But EFT vs F-15, even if the the F-15 is better. The EFT isnt going to be isntantly DOA
Sorry, I meant ‘how is the FA.2 going to perform against those aircraft.’ We are much closer to a F-15/SU-27 introduction than to a Typhoon introduction, those will come first if Gaijin only wants to add production Typhoons, only having the FA.2 by that time is going to be rough. We are already the underdog, the F.3 is usable and can get some kills, and everyone is complaining, if the FA.2 is going to be basically the same with some caviats how is it solving anything?
Absolutely nothing to do with either being a brick.
Manoeuvrability only comes into play if you enter WVR combat.
AMRAAM allowed the Shar FA.2 to engage, and kill (simulated) F3s before they got in range.
Point being, it doesn’t matter if it’s a brick, if the weapon allows it to engage hostile aircraft before they become a threat.
Harriers will never be meta, but the FA2 will still be a good opponent when it can engage the enemy from range.
AMRAAM slinging into groups without good radar track data would be potentially a bad idea I think… we will see how that goes.
Just wondering, were the F.3s also using AMRAAMs?
Im genuinely curious how a bvr 1v1 of an F.3 AOP vs FA2 would be
Agreed.
However my plan with any amraam equipped jet would be to start that match with full amraam load, climb, launch at high targets, rtb, reload with a more close in load, then join the remaining fur balls.
Shar FA2 for example, would be takeoff, get high, launch all 4 amraams, rtb, reload with 4 9M and 2 amraam and go in for the fur balls.
At the time, no, this was prior to F3 getting amraam capability.
But again, point still stands, if amraam outrages what your opponent has, being a brick doesn’t matter.
Shar fa2 was the first UK jet equipped with amraams, which is why it’ll be an ideal test bed for amraams when added.
Yes, as you said, it’s a brick, but with missile capability, it won’t be OP or meta.
If AMRAAM is modeled correctly I would continue to takeoff with as many as possible.
If we get true pitbull mode, then Yeah, same.
I don’t know what you mean by that, but we already have pitbull mode for Fox-3s.
Wouldn’t even be close
Sorry?
Do we?
IIRC all ARH missiles in game require aircraft radar lock before launch.
Amraam can be launched and instantly go pitbull, locking on the first target its seeker sees, without a radar lock from the host aircraft.
A Mach 2 capable jet versus a Sub Mach capable jet, with the Mach 2 jet having the ability to fire a missile with longer range as well…
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You mean mad dog?
No, fox-3s can be fired from TWS.
Your suggestion would require a spool up and lock similar to an IR missile, without the radar slaving it there would be no way of doing this without making it essentially just usable like a fox-2… and I don’t really see the point as every aircraft with Fox-3 will have a TWS mode. So select target you want on TWS, arm and launch… it’s the same as real life. No hard lock necessary.
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Yes, more than likely.
Been a while since I played DCS so all the terminology has all but gone