I guess the KF-21 just doesn’t exist, and neither does the Rafale or block 3 F/A-18E/F.
try reading again
The captor M used a mix of LPRF/MPRF/HPRF for detection and tracking. The carrier frequency is still xband. So no magic low frequency to use to detect stealth fighters, PRF has no play in the scattering
Captor E using aesa antenna probably does. In general aesa radars can as they can form multiple beams in different frequencies and prfs. But no point in talking about it as its just info we wont know in like 30-50 years.
First Prototype for the British one was already given to BAE this year. Leonardo-Radar ECRS Mk2 für britische Typhoons geliefert | FLUG REVUE.
Edit: here is a English speaking source UK to fly Eurofighter ECRS Mk 2 E-Scan radar in 2023, IOC slated for 2030
But yeah until we have reliable info on that the game will probably be dead
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I don’t think that the gap is huge, but its there. But from my interactions with you, you just don’t seem to like the Typhoon, probably due to how overhyped it is and I concede that it is overhyped in areas.
He did mention Rafale they’re equal dependant on mission profile overall Rafale is probably more versatile at least until you compare Tranche 3A/Tranche 4. Super Hornet is off the table, Typhoon is kinematically superior and unless the US are light-years ahead in radar technology then the lower power output of the Super Hornets engine’s is going to limit the radars performance. Given i believe the F-35’s APG-81 radar is supposedly the best one fielded by the US excluding whatever radar the NGAD prototype is carrying, and they’re supposedly equal (but no-one knows), so chances are against the APG-79 (v) 4 Typhoon is still going to come out doing better.
Kf-21 lacks publicly available information but the only published estimate put its RCS on par with the Typhoon, but they’re looking at reducing that. The radar software is provided by SAAB whose radar software was provided by Leonardo and BAe Systems so the Typhoon is at least on par there too. The IRST was started from scratch meanwhile the EFT uses one based on experience from the Mig-29 and Selex’s FLIR for the F-35. There’s several areas I could discuss but I don’t have it in me to have this debate with you again.
Kf-21 is newer, but newer =/= more advanced as was proven by the Tornado vs the Tomcat.
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I don’t like / dislike them it’s simply overhyped as you said. Better to manage people’s expectations because right now people think Gripen is the best thing since sliced bread.
The Gripen is overhyped, but I’m happy to let people have their hype. It’s only when people start comparing the Gripen to aircraft outside of its class, that it becomes an issue as then people forget to manage their expectations. If the Gripen is added alongside maybe the JF-17 Block 1/2, F-20 Tigershark T-50 and other light fighters, I expect it to dominate. Pit it against an EFT, F-15, F-18 or otherwise then it’s gonna struggle.
When you’ve been running Viggens vs F-16/Mig-29s for Sweden and Tornado F3 vs F-16C/Mig-29s anything even remotely gen 4 is a massive massive upgrade. Now for a number of reasons I kinda hope Britain doesnt get Gripen. We have so many options that could act as gap fillers till Typhoon. But dragging our feet on getting THE gen 4 Britian did actually use. Even just because of perceived imbalance, is really quite frustrating, especially with just how much lag we’ve had over the past 2 years in getting anything new
Huh, I thought AESA variant had been in service since the early 2010s or as early as. Its quite grim for bongs if
was something used well into 2010s. Thats even lower than an 1985 F15’s msip psp apg63. Perhaps captorD increased performance and that document was old that it was unclassified.
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They are
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Based on publicly available information there is nothing to suggest that the current US radars employed on their 4.5th generation fighters significantly outclass that of those used on other nations 4.5th generation aircraft. Sure you can argue that NGAD probably has a ridiculous radar that has some Wunderwaffe features and can dissect the stealth coatings on any aircraft, but we don’t know that yet.
Thats flawed. You can simply deduce by looking at 90s 80s era radars and compare. By 1980 US fighter radar tech was considerably superior to anything soviets had(and they were 2nd, above the rest). You can extrapolate, just because you catch up to something made years before doesn’t mean the other hasn’t been moving forward, doing research aswell. Apg 63 is a beast, then V1 went IOC in late 90s and v3 decade.5 later. Then you have apg 77 in the mid 2000s.
“We don’t know what we don’t know”.
Thats also flawed and doesn’t necessarily work at all. Look at 1980s IRST the F-14 had the best of the bunch. Nowadays the best IRST’s are the Selex FLIR which is British and the PIRATE which is UK-Italy. Not American.
Plus look at Foxhunter stage 2G, ignoring the awful issue with production, the Foxhunter was one of if not the best BVR radar of its decade.
Mmmmm, no :)
Depends how you define best. American pilots who flew it were blown away by the data-link functionality. Apparently it was far in advance of what they were used to (likewise British pilots often list the data-link as one of the things they missed most while on rotation to the states).
Americans really didn’t focused on IRST. Radar is better.
Foxhunter stage 2
Introduced decade.5 after apg 63 and a decade after psp ap63. No nctr( on msip) till 96’. Took more than a decade to get into(if they got with it) range figures americans were in since 1975(with f14 and f15).
And then there’s the apg 70 of the E that went IOC 2 years before gulf war. And F14D’s APG 71 which was a vast improvement over the awg9, came ioc in 91’, which is another beast
I don’t see how that time scale is relevant when the UK was operating Phantoms with radar from the mid-1960s up until Tornado.
Obviously a country isn’t going to develop a new fighter radar unless they’re also building new fighter aircraft to install it in.
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Source: I made it up.
Time scales are very important. If you compare a plane you compare it to contemporary fighters. I’m talking RL(which if you read the context of thread its about british radars IRL, this timescales), not ingame.
Developing technology doesn’t stop just because an objective is fulfilled. And ADV’s development started in 1976 and radar was already in testing since late 70s.
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Why would they not ask for upgraded radars if it’s obsolete? Look at Israel. The Kurnass had upgrades. Other countries did upgrades to the Phantoms. It’s what they’re doing for the Eurofighter right now. Upgrading the radar / systems that have become obsolete.
Arguably, had they just kept producing Phantoms instead of wasting time designing the Tornado they’d have been better off.