I’m personally guessing a progression similar to the F-15A to F-15E
F2.this update.
June update to see some upgrades like ECM
Sep/Oct update to add FGR4 but with more upgrades than just A2G like Aim-120C5s. Also gives time for them to sort out mmV.
So long as the Gr7 and GR4 get continued TLC and maybe the Harrier Gr9A make an appearance then we will be golden on the A2G front
Uk yes.
Germany no if we get the same treatment as uk for a fair implementation of the typhoon
So what do the Germans and Italians use in the 55mm aileron root dispensers? Just standard 55mm flares?
everyone has those flares.
I know, but the Germans don’t use the Britecloud decoys if that graphic is correct?
yeah.
they’re like brand brand new
Italy converted all his T1 to block 5 standard. I’m not sure about UK, probably Flame or Gunjob know this better than me.
That was my question, as the UK uses them or is planned to use them.
Will be interesting to see how much utility they have. Though as the F35A just got them in US service I can see Germany and Italy getting them for F35 and Typhoon soon also.
It would be amusing if Typhoons could just force themselves to a dogfight through the miles of chaff, active decoys, towed decoys, MAWS etc where they will be largely unrivalled.
Looks like the graphic needs updating. And as I said it wouldn’t surprise me to see Germany getting them.
Good to know that we tested it on the Tornados XD.
That document doesn’t say that Germany Is getting them. By the way, I think they could be added to any nation with an EFA since I don’t think they required any modification in order to be operated.
Germany did Britecloud 218 tests(and is in talks for acquiring them as of 2021)…
also, the leonardo website states
“BriteCloud, which does not require integration, is a cost-effective way to equip such assets with latest-generation jamming capabilities.”
the 218 is for US-style square/rectangular countermeasure slots such as those found in the f-18, f-15, f-16, c-17, c-130, a-400m, etc, etc, etc.like AN/ALE-47
2"x1"x8"
Depending on the specific form factor of the dispenser in question (including any optional podded dispensers), it would probably have commonality with at least one of the US / NATO spec Countermeasure cartridge families. So should at very least be compatible with or have similar counterparts to some of the advanced developments that we know about.
For example there are Covert Flares, that lack / minimize the visual report of activation, so don’t provide it as a cue that they are actively dispensing, and so significantly more effective when used to preemptively defend against a threat (e.g. M211, MJU-50 & -51).
Another would be Advanced Kinematic Flares like the MJU-47, which use exhaust gasses to propel themselves and retain more velocity after being dispensed to defeat some types of Spatial IRCCM filters.
That’s the form factor of the MJU-13 Flare Magazine, so you get 15 of them per modular “ALE-4x” dispenser, and they can be very widely mounted on basically everything that flew after ~1980 bar early F/A-18’s, that still used the ALE-39, (could probably backport it anyway via the ALE-37 pod).
ah found what i was remembering
What kind of A2G weapons does the Block 5 have?
gbus only
Not sure why we are getting the Block 2 then. Maybe we should have both in the game. The Block 2 can be added underneath the Tornado
the leak didnt say which eurofighter version
besides that leaks arent always quite true which version it is because of changed propject names or guessing from modell
as of right now we arent aware which version we are realy getting for euros and rafales
The 55mm flares being talked about here have no relation to US Countermeasure designs. It’s the Swedish cartridge standard originally for the BOZ pod, carried forwards to the Typhoon because they’re better flares than the 218 standard.
I might be miss remembering from when I worked at Chemring, but the 55mm carts have multiple flares stacked internally fired off individually, so each tube has 2-3 flares in it.
