Eurofighter Typhoon - Spear-3

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Within this major update, we have seen the introduction of LOAL that has enabled extremely long ranged use of existing weapons. The best Ive gotten so far was a 60km kill with a Spice-250. I could probably get much further than that, but I have lost the patience for it.

The Typhoon is currently heavily lacking in Fire-and-Forget weaponry or Stand-off GNSS weaponry, only having 8x Spice-250 that require the Typhoon to be below Mach 1.0 to use, which is not its natural state nor is it practical within any airmode.

The Typhoon’s Principle weapon has been denied on grounds that make little sense. So this leaves 1 option to have a half meaningful, long ranged stand-off weapon. Spear-3.

Spear-3 is a turbojet, wing-assisted of the Brimstone that gains one notable additional feature. GNSS. This present an option for the Typhoon that cannot be provided by the Spice-250 or the SAL Brimstone 1. A long ranged, GNSS guided weapon that should be deployable at speeds greater than Mach 1.

So I would propose adding the Spear-3 in either a GNSS-Only configuration or in a GNSS+SAL Configuration. Due to the tiny warhead, direct impacts would be required, so I would likewise propose 0 drift for these weapons to compensate for the lack of MMW seeker it should have.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6eL8LMtt8jA

Should Spear-3 be added to the Typhoon

  • Yes - GNSS-Only
  • Yes - GNSS+SAL
  • No
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so basicly a cruise missile. which its not implemented to only gnss yet.
your demending something that we dont even have. i am not against it but still.

glide with gnss / sal shoud do the job for a gbu39 type of weapons that can help the Typhoon. plus 18 of them wouldnt hurt at all just like the f15e with 20 of gbu39.

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100% this

Kh59, AGM 84, etc etc

This functionality is implemented in explicitly cruise weaponry, not “basically cruise weaponry”. This is not asking much.

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We have plenty of these lol

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We have?

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Bind Bomb / Missile Camera View, loose a weapon, press bind.

Clicking will disengage the camera from the current target to look for another, clicking on the target you wish to update to will re-engage the camera lock to that target and redirect the weapon to it.

A player still being apart of the guidance chain =/= LOAL

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You’re correct, however, it’s what they’re referring to. It can be used to swap from an empty target bracket to a mobile target, which functionally achieves the same outcome.

Though most weapons can already acquire a mobile target in the event it crosses over the point lock.

I say let’s first add Brimstone correctly before thinking of Spear 3. Maybe in a few months I’d vote yes

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Don’t say that, they’ll come after you declaring it unbalanced because there’s no counterplay.

As though there’s counterplay to a strike from orbit with any air to ground munition.

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Hmm smart man, can you launch it with gnss ?

As your not aware, these require tv / ir lock or even radar data link as i said if you took time to read.
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Please do show me you launch at a base with these missile far from 30km

I’ve fired a Spcie 250 from 50 or so km away, at a map target point and then picked a target after the fact.

I think the issue is Brimstone is not going to be changed or fixed :(

The point is… I think we are talking years, not months.

I tried to make a post about adding Mode 2 Brimstones (where you need to mark the target with a Laser first) and they closed the thread stating that it would kill teammates and it being able to find targets within a search would be too OP. That is mode 3. Not mode 2.

They are just making up excuses now as to why they wont add Brimstones in any capcity. So… its time then to add something else. literally anything else.

Spice-250s just have too many limitations and restrictions

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Spear-3 has an estimated max range of around 140km (probably higher, but thats the known public figure). KH-59s in-game have a range of 120km. AGM-84H have a range of 140km. With LOAL, you can make use of a lot of that range to hit a moving target. Heck, AGM-88C have max range of 150km. Its all on the launch conditions, but Spice-250, GBU-53, GBU-39, AGM151, etc, could probably get 100+ km if you fired high enough. So denying them based upon range is not really a good argument.

Spear-3 still only have a Brimstone warhead. They cant be used to kill bases crossmap like Grom 1 could. Im proposing GNSS being hte main guidance method. So if the target moves, then they are 100% safe, way safer than they are from something like a KH-38 being fired from 60km away on GNSS only.

Spear-Glides would be IR/EO + GNSS + SAL. But they’ve been denied because only the parts exist (looks at KH-38MT). But may very well have the same issue as Spice-250, if launch ability is unknown, they might be capped to mach 1 laucnh, rendering them basically worhtless

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Didnt deny it based on range. As you still comparing 2 completely different weapons.

What your demanding is basically a cruise missile. Ir or gnss its doesn’t matter as its act as a cruise missile.

Not to forget that other country need to get them as well.
Usa and israel for exemple. But also the re-release of the grom 1 missile.

Which i agreed 100%. The problem is the powered engine. Compare to the kh38, in short range both are equal but in long range. The sustainable subsonic jet powered win.

Not to forget that when you tried the 50km spice. You were exposed the whole to sams. Which make the man in loop function basically a bit worthless

Then can the Typhoon get an equivalent to the KH-38MT. AGM-65, AGM-84, KH-59, AASM, etc etc?

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Does it have equivalent to begin with

Yes. Brimstones.

But as they ahve been denied for ever increasingly absurd excuses. Im voting we get literally anything else. Yes Spear-3s would have the advantage of range and be superior to something like GBU-39s. But that is offset in the fact that we only have a limited number of FnF Glide bombs that the Typhoon can barely use without throttling to idle and deploying the airbrakes

Its about a compromise solution. Not restricting the Typhoon to be the weakest CAS aircraft, just because.

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