Both are crapboxes and both have 4x IR A2G missiles.
Harrier has more A2A missiles though.
Those two are much closer together than Su-34 and EFT with IRs would be.
Su-34, F-15E, Rafale, Gripen, F-16C all have FnF IR missiles
Motorola: “this is fine, nothing is wrong at all here”
Britain, Germany and italy asks for historically accurate SAL only Brimstone 2s on their Typhoon
Motorola “THATS UNFAIR, Typhoon will be too strong, soviets must have the best CAS its in the ToS”
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You know, I think you and Jecka are both right. But I think the issue is br compression. Eurofighter is supposed to be better in every metric but it shouldn’t be at the same br.
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Summed it up perfectly.
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We will ignore the fact one has much better A2G missiles defensive systems and thermals so much so that it got a higher br
Let alone all the nerfs applied to the Harriers
Guys, I think there is a more pressing issue rn than Motorola’s whining, I can do Ray Tracing in WT now!
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Have I said it’s fine that those come with IRs ?
I literally agreed with you like ten posts above that EFT could get SAL Brimstones 2. Are you trying to lie on purpose or have you just forgot what happened half an hour ago ?
It has better A2Gs, I never said otherwise.
It also less A2A which is factually true.
Also, it’s a 12.0 aircraft so it should be worse than 12.7 one.
Great, you’ve spent the lkast day arguing against Brimstone 2s (SAL) being added to the Tyhpoon for “balancing reasons” and now you are saying you are agreeing with them being added.
Glad we’ve had this talk.
Please follow the conversation, I was replying to a dude comparing Su-25SM3 and Harrier GR.7.
It’s literally stated in the quote I replied to, but you somehow missed it.
No, I’ve argued against Brimstones being IR/FnF.
SAL version is fine.
I love how much Gaijin Artificially nerfs the Harrier Gr7 but its soviet equivalent instead got massive buffs.
Should have:
- 6x AGM-65s not 4
- Gen 2 thermals on TIALD not Gen 1 or could be replaced entirely with a better tpod
- No sooty exhaust
- BOL should be 4x more effective than they are currently
- Harriers are WAY too hot
- MAWS is a placeholder from the F-111A
Though, by your logic of Weak airframe = good missiles. Im looking forward to the sub-sonic Harrier Gr9A armed with 18x FnF Brimstone 1s
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And it sits almost a whole BR below the RU counterpart.
SU-25SM3 is already a subsonic with only 4x FnFs at 12.7.
I’d be fine with your choice if it was higher in BR though.
The Ravings Of A Madman!..
Israel contains it, but India does not, especially since it is possible to create a sub-tree for India!
We will strive to change this approach to India!.
Just a clearly English Bias…
20 of them (should be 28 iirc), but you can engage multiple targets with GPS munitions
And they aren’t mitigated, IRL the base GBU-39 really was just a GPS glide bomb (there was a laser + gps version though)
But if they were IR guided, its unlikely the F-15E would have 20-28 of them in game. That is what I meant
@MotorolaCRO
Talking about balance in top tier is so hilarious to me, given that its been skewed for years at this point. From introduction of Pantsir completely neutering any planes that are less maneuverable than gen 4 fighters or planes that have poor armaments succh as Tornado ASSTA1 for example which until pre-last update had only GBU16s which were nearly unusable against an SPAA with 18km range missiles. To BVMs having ERA plates that are able to absorb mavericks and 2000lbs GBUs through magical means to the introduction of Kh38 which were able to (and still are) to outrange every single NATO SPAAs effective range by a large margin while being FnF on at first a frogfoot to now basically a fat flanker that gets 6 of them as well as A2A missiles to protect itself.
And thats just Russia.
USA had F16C, F15A and then C to protect from 15+km slinging Kh38s and now has F15E which is able to do both CAP and CAS but thts about it. And the funny thing is that a single somewhat competent player in a Pantsir is still able to ward off strike eagles or the viper with relative ease.
So trying to come here and say “yo guys im just trying to uphold balance, you guys have no clue what balance is” while ignoring the massive positives of stuff like Su34 which is a plane from the 80s as a russian answer to the strike eagle and not a 4.5 gen fighter such as EFT seems pretty hollow or maliciously ignorant.
Top tier has not been balanced in ages, it wont magically start being balanced now, every single update is going to bring something new, something that trumps the competetition. Same way as we went from F16C being top dogs, to gripens to SM3 Frogfoots, to Su34s and F15Es to now EFTs and Rafales. And next update who knows what it will change to, F18s, Su35s, Mig31 and 35 etc.
If you truly wish for “balanced” top tier youd be advocating for the removal of pretty much 60% of what makes top tier.
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