Yep, only a lie when it’s the F-22 at question, when they say Mach 1.5 with a2a load is a manufacturing lie for eft then it’s outrageous. Why would Lockheed even lie about it? Pretty sure by the time it was released all the F-22 were made and delivered and it’s not like they’re trying to impress the export market.
something to do with a higher trust level which has to be earned (through very tedious means)
chill out mate, dial in for your bonus humor upgrade, your software needs updating
My apologies.
ETA 2 hour 14 minute 21 second
32.5 mb/s
The expression, the screenshot, it’s perfect
Yeah, I’m up to 50 battles in the FGR4 and Eagles aren’t that scary in it. You’re operating at similar alts and speeds in BVR and have a decided advantage in turning, so you can push further into the MAR and launch/turn later.
Majority of Eagles I’ve seen are dying pre-merge and the end of the match is always eurofighters and rafales.
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There is very good evidence to suggest it was a very clear marketing lie. Any subsequent memes and nonsense posting about it is just… cope. The F-22 is known to supercruise beyond 1.7 mach, the efficient range is to pull the throttle back and sit at ~1.5 mach.
By contrast, the EJ200 is not optimized for supercruise and hardly pushes the Typhoon to an alleged 1.5 mach in certain configurations. The problem is twofold;
- It takes much longer to get there than an aircraft designed from the start with supercruise in mind
- To keep itself at 1.5 mach it requires full mil thrust and possibly even war time settings to increase the temp limits. This is not the same as the F-22 pulling back from full mil thrust to sit at an efficient cruising speed lower than maximum.
Of course, it is possible the Eurofighter can pull the throttle back and enjoy a more efficient supercruise at an optimistic ~1.3 mach or so. This just isn’t the same as the F-22 sitting at 1.5 and then pushing itself quickly up to 1.7+ rapidly.
If a primary source states for a fact that a vehicle can do something then it should be considered true.
If we start questioning primary sources as “marketing lies” based upon assumptions then whats the point of providing any primary sources for any bug report. I can just say that CAPTOR-M has a Scan rate of 150° / sec because “trust me bro”
This idea that "I dont believe this to be true therefore this primary source is wrong " nonsense is just insane. First with the Stingers performance and now with the Typhoons Supercruise performance.
There are multiple PRIMARY SOURCES that state it can supercruise at mach 1.5. Therefore that should be considered fact.
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With what loadout/fuel load?
I beleive the primary source refers to it in a fairly standard combat load. I think 2+2 loadout plus fuel, But I dont beleive the typhoon can do it in game in any config, even ultra light (min fuel and no weapons)
edit, full combat load based upon flames bug report:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/uM50xadDrBYA
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No you are wrong and so is everyone else for some dude on a video game forum clearly knows better.
But in all seriousness you are right that questioning primary sources is a slippery slope and we are entering an area of extreme mental gymnastics to justify criticising such sources. It is good to see you and others push back on this nonsense.
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Yeah, its hard enough to get Gaijin to accept bug reports with primary sources let alone actually fix the problem. If they can just throw out sources because they dont beleive them. Whats the point in the community bug reporting anything
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That’s wild if it’s able to achieve that IRL.
I think it’ll go mach 1.3 with the stock loadout depending on the altitude. It also makes me wonder if this is a game engine issue, as in it can’t model that supercruise speed without ruining all other performance aspects.
Or the FM is screwed and needs to be entirely redone.
Its possible but then they should state that,
either the game cant do it (like they’ve done for the finished Tornado FM, its as good as it can be within game limitations)
or
it cant do it in a full combat load (but can be done with a lighter load)
Just none of the above is really annoying. At a bare minimum I expect to be able to RTB after expending all missiles at high alt via supercruise and reach Mach 1.5 ish
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When have Lockheed ever lied about an airframes capabilities…
Gaijin will apply there balances and that will be it
You tell me
I agree.
I’ve seen people say that jet engines are underperforming at high altitudes, so that could be a cause. But I also don’t know if that is even true.
The F104…
Fair point, the top management involved all resigned though iirc. This is much more recent, and unlike back then, Lockheed really didn’t have any monetary incentive to do this
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