Why is it always a fight over something when i look at any of the EFT threads?
Also did they fix the tint on the EFT’s cockpit?
yea, that does not contradict what i said
Never say never, see here from an SB match
Ah typical french main. Doesnt want the Typhoon to be onpar with the rafale.
THESE SOLUTIONS WERE GIVEN TO GAIJIN WHEN THE TORNADO GR4 WAS ON THE DEV SERVER
So stop claiming “well, maybe you should give a valid solution. huh duh.”
Quantity:
SP cost vary based upon the amount taken.
6-9 costs the same amount as the 6-8 FnF weapons already available on fixed wing aircraft.
Taking more than that, increases the cost expoentially.
Coutner play:
2 parts to this
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Being able to fire outsdie of the range of the SPAA. KH-38MT and even the AGM-65 could do this. And now most nations have SAMs that outrange those quite happily
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Defence. Smoke with CMs exists. Evidence of it exists. This can simply be added to all tanks above 11.0 (or whatever BR can face MMW) Much like IR-CM smoke that exists on all tanks, even though I doubt all tanks actually had this IRL.
Lets breakdown their post:
The primary reason is that this seeker utilizes the “lock-on after launch (LOAL)” mode
Brimstones and most MMWs have a LOBL mode. Or they can just fake it like they did with AJ168 and add something that operates basically like any other IIR seeker already in game
They require no challenge to use effectively and have no counterplay options for those being attacked
New SAMs have been added. They can add Chaff smoke.
The attacker can operate outside of the range of any anti-air system in the game
So did KH-38MT and Su-34 that was added in the same update
Brimstone is also immune to smoke, so this won’t help either.
So like msot things, just change them so they are.
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No. Of course not.
Ok you two, off you go
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Well thats annoying
No. Ive blocked him. Hes just as troll.
Hes denying MMW to give Typhoons FnF because of made up nonsense reasons
And he tried to justify Typhoons not being allowed CAPTOR-E because they arent in service yet with Germany, Italy and Britain and have only been tested.
It clear he’s just making up reason to artifiically nerf the Typhoon, much like mutala tried to do
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Man, you crashed yourself out into a hole. We gave solutions, multiple. Go read all the EF threads. Don’t put labels on people if you are not willing to get one yourself. I see, you mad and you don’t fully know yourself why. If they wanted to give some kind of “edge” to any nato country - they would’ve found a way to add brimstones correctly. Best you can do is citing devblog which made everyone extremely mad because of sheer amounts of bs they put in there? Really? What counter play SPAAs have to 38ml airfield spam? What counterplay flarakrad had to 38mt before? I’ll tell you - none, sheesh, zero. They don’t want to do it? Oh hell no, it’s just inconvinient for them, thats it. It’s a new mechanic (hardly though with right implementation scaffolding they like to build). And it negatively impacts their most beloved audience, which they just can’t possibly allow, right? Get yourself together or get out, please.
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Yeah, that entire Dev comment was just insulting. Would have been a major insult anyway, with the Su-25SM3 running around. But to make those statements in the same update that added the Su-34…
And then also initially the Tornrado Gr4 was limited to only 9 anyway, not its current 15 or its actual max of 18… Let alone the fact its a Tornado…
Was just insane
read
so stop ragebait / ragewar.
still not proved for many Top tier MBTs,…
especially French, Italian, Swedish, German, and Chinese ones.
yes and? they would be as good as others against FnF - Dropping a FnF within 5 seconds is possible, and then you can go evasive like everyone else : doesn’t prove they would be good enough defence vs FnF for MBT’s.
wrong, but you still won’t hear it,…
Smokes and staying at one place is the Tanker problem.
Smoke and keep on the move will more effectively broke any FnF requiring IR terminal guidance.
and only moving would break GNSS/GPS weapons
yes, and i’m aware about that part, reason why i didn’t even bringed it.
You do also have SAMs that can and will shoot down Typhoons before they come into range for Brimstone.
Then you have warhead size, Brimstones do not always one shot.
Hammers and Kh-38 do
18 sounds a lot until you spend spawn points and get killed by a 2S38 while trying to guide this missile into something.
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The su-25sm3 situation was even worse. IIRC we didn’t even have an ability to lock on munition back then, lol.
Nope. That came after the Su-34 I think.
and what? i just have to get rage baited on by Morvran, because all he sees is that he doesn’t have FnF?
i’m trying to get comprehensive,… and i understand that EF-2000 needs FnF, but then he’s unreasonnable when he says things like “french mains” and stuff, while the solution is close by.
so no, sorry but i can’t let go that easily.
he want to block me, fine,… i know that he’s a better man than me sometime, but i’m not the one advocating to not give FnF to EF-2000, simply asking to make it fair for everyone.
KH-38ML/MT or AASM are 98% Pk rates in game : Yes
not a reason to add a 100% Pk rate Brimstone due to the lack of CM’s
that’s what i was advocating for.
read again the whole Convo,… never said EF-2000 should never get FnF
and if you’re objective there, you would see that i’m not:
That’s the problem. He shouldn’t get FnF somewhere in the future or even the next patch. It needs it now or it is irrelevant. Playing EF in GRB right now feels like competing with a prime Tony Hawk while being in a wheelchair and simoultaneously having 2 kids constantly poke your eyeballs with christmas sparklers.
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They should have had a plan in place prior to the Tornado Gr4.
Let alone the Typhoon.
A year+ on and we dont even have SAL Brimstone 2 yet (Also usable by the Tornado) is just insane
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and i agree on that,… i’m trying, as him, as anyone here, to get FnF for EF-2000.
but i take on the reasons and found that the only true problem is ECM for MBT’s,…
because, let’s be honest, they will be the prey of such weapon.
as i said already, in-game:
the only reason for that is smokes currently breaks IR and Laser locks.
so i’m looking for something similar,… as it would be plausible, and it is done for most Navy Ships, with chaffs dispensers looking like those:
Spoiler
Yet, many nations doesn’t have such Chaffs-Cartridge for MBT’s smoke devices, let Alone APS systems (8 vehicules in the game right now)
And that’s what i’m searching for, a reasonnable Counterplay, allowing to add MMW-ARH with a 98% Pk rate instead of 100%, by/with CONCRETE and REAL Stuff
I’ve never searched for spectral smoke in use right now. I’d imagine that information would be highly classified though, because:
1)As @DevilO6 pointed out, some of them might only be effective against only selected variety of wavelengths, hence having your enemy to guess which one it is - the most desired outcome.
2)MmW munition is quite new and development is still going on. In defense - creating a shield is always the hardest part, hence again - secrecy is highly desired.
At the same time in the paper I linked - the phrasing implies that a research of countermeasures is going on for a long time already. Heck, without even searching there was a link on a 2022 paper about spectral smoke effectiveness.
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what i can say is that IR-Smokes are in the game right now, but those are effectively designed for such use.
here on Galix System (Leclerc MBT):
https://www.foi.se/rest-api/report/FOI-R--2965--SE
(it was a study for enviromental impacts of Galix system)
but i didn’t found much evidence for anti-radar smoke cartridge, neither chaffs cartridge (80mm)
aswell, i’ve only found IR/EO/Laser Protection for the ROSY-L of Rheinmetall https://www.rheinmetall.com/Rheinmetall%20Group/brochure-download/Protection-Systems/B180e0524-ROSY-Rapid-Obscuring-System-for-vehicle-protection.pdf
last of which equip the KF-41 Lynx (got one in-game for hungarians), but nothing against MMW-ARH (40mm)
the MPL-76 from KNDS, using 76mm ammo, doesn’t give protections against Laser, but only EO and IR, according to this source:https://fr.scribd.com/document/83782608/Wegmann-76mm-Grenade-Launchers
Leopard 2’s are the main users of the MPL-76
such vehicules would get entirely destroyed by MMW-ARH seekers, with a 100% Pk rates
if it was possible, for balance, to give IR sensor instead of MMW-ARH, i would be happilly getting it for Brimstones.
the only one i found early evidence (nothing yet proofed) is for the american M3 Bradley that have been rumored to get Chaff cartridges