EF EK is similar to EA-18G.
of course F/A-18 E/F’s AN/APG-79 AESA radar have EW capabillity, but extra modification about EW makes EA-18G can have better EW capability.
I fundamentally don’t think ECRS Mk.2 will have better EW capabilities than EF EK.
British is best in all areas imo. Best radar and avionics, best air to air weaponry, and best air to ground weaponry (not sure if Germany and Italy both use brimstones and other new British weapons).
not true lol, all use meteor, and IRIS-T vs ASRAAM is situational, depends what you prefer, in the war thunder furball the IRIS-T will even dominate and be better
like what? IRIST can be mounted in germany anytime and yet again, we have planes with them already as well
in contrary germany is the only nation that tested the AMK kit, which would result in german ones having the best avionics
wrong as well, they share the same radar currently and in the sense of war thunder the mk1 and mk2 have no differences either
again wrong, all typhoons are brimstone capable, that is a software update all typhoons received with tranche 2 and we already have shown at least for germany that they carry brimstone even if at least for testing currently
like? there is no other new important weaponry, besides that it is questionable if we even ever gonna get brimstones in the game
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German and Italian Eurofighters don’t have/mount a laser warning sensor, this will be very useful when fighting any aircraft with long-range passive launch IR missiles such as the MICA as they all use a laser rangefinder in the IRST for targeting (to my knowledge the eurofighter is the only one that doesn’t).
Essentially its useful for all IRST launches and also against things like Pantsir’s.
In-game they will all roughly be equivalent. However British Eurofighters do in theory have the best defensive aids package and everything else is then the same.
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yeah that was the only thing that came to my mind the LWS, but his statement british is best in all areas is simply wrong
They’re either equal or Britain is better (but in so few areas its not really relevant, equally you could argue Germany has more EF’s). Things like theoretical improvements are standardised across all Eurofighters but in-game I think the best way to do it is to have them the same.
I’d like to see the Italian and German EF’s get the LWS in exchange for the Brits getting the AMK and (potentially) TVC.
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Avionics:
IRST. You state the “germans can fit it at any time”, but the simple fact is that they haven’t.
Radar:
Are you really trying to say that the ECRS-1 mk2 isn’t going to be better than the mk1?
Though UK companies had leadership of the Captor-E project, there was never any chance that the baseline Mk 0 radar would be used by the RAF. Its corporate heart was always set on a more capable and more advanced radar, which would incorporate extensive electronic attack and electronic warfare capabilities.
The UK always resisted pressure to adopt what was once hoped to be a four-nation AESA programme, insisting that the RAF needed a more advanced set, known as Radar Two, or ECRS Mk 2. This led to a divergence in AESA radar development for the Eurofighter. The British ECRS Mk 2 is derived in part from the Advanced Radar Targeting System (ARTS) and Bright Adder technology demonstrators, not from the original Captor-C/D radar or the AESA-equipped Captor-E.
IRIS-T vs ASRAAM:
ASRAAM has a much greater range, and thus much greater no-escape zone. I’m not sure why you’re saying the IRIS-T is better at close range. The amount of g the missile can pull is not the limiting factor for these missiles. At best the IRIS-T has a tiny decrease in the minimum firing range. ASRAAM has no issues killing a manoeuvring target in its envelope.
Air-to-ground:
Granted these might never be added into the game.
But if Germany doesn’t use them, they shouldn’t get them.
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Not the IRIS-T Vs ASRAAM it plane and simple one is better at closer and one is better at far but for how the war thunder meta is IRIS-T will be the better one that doesn’t mean ASRAAM will be bad
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Like the R73 and R27ERs as long as it can do them then it should it the EFT it designed that way
read trhough the whole thread
this is an old debate as well, the IRIS-T does perform better in the short ranges
Storm shadow is the same as taurus
spear 3 is unintresting
so we take away the PGM from the british tornado as well right? and bunch of other stuff britain never used
We could beg for ASRAAM P3I but with the original (worse) ASRAAM seeker as the warhead was built and tested the TVC was to be recycled from a previous missile etc, but that’s the limit.
Yeah do you have a source for this? Just citing the rumoured g limits isn’t remotely conclusive. The ASRAAM programme seems to have much more active investment and development.
go to the iris t thread and read trough the while argument, if you are so keen on it
Cleary a British one /J
The PGM-500/2000 are joint UK/US developments…?
Is it though?..
Old debate maybe, but i’ve never seen any convincing proof the IRIS-T is better in short range. As I said previously, stating that the rumoured g-limit is higher on the IRIS-T is a cope.
isn’t it TVC and ASRAAM isn’t right
Right Taurus is better they both have about the same range but Taurus is more stealth and has more targeting options
IRIS-T is TVC, ASRAAM is lifting body, ASRAAM P3I was started with TVC for the American’s as they thought they needed it, it had a modernised SRAAM TVC, however the US selected AIM-9X for commonality reasons, Britain and Australia found it satisfactory without TVC.
My speculation is that it uses the singular set of rear fins to destabilise and reposition the booster around a pivot but thats my completely unqualified assumption based on watching it launch a few times.
IRIS-T is pretty much guaranteed to be better at short range as is proven by its sales to countries even without partnership. But there’s no source, because these missiles are still in operation, no self-respecting nation would provide hard data to make a comparison, so we instead must compare the ‘airframe’ features and make guesses.
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I mean - the ASRAAM has demonstrated in live-fire testing that it can carry out over-the-shoulder firing with ease. Something which still hasn’t been done with the IRIS-T as far as I can see, despite its claimed higher g-limit and TVC. I’m also struggling to find evidence of upgrades the IRIS-T has had since development, whereas the ASRAAM has had money poured into it for years, even more so in the last few years with India buying it.