I think most of the Complaining about the Su-27SM comes from the fact they cant just win every BVR fight with ease anymore because they no longer have an overwhelming missile advantage. was little you could do with a Aim-7M/Skyflash SuperTEMP vs an R-27ER
Other than its weak radar and RWR. the sheer versatility of its loadout is impressive. Would love to have a weapon system like R-27ET on the Typhoon (ASRAAM when? :P )
Idk how there would still be debate on this subject, @Gunjob has already pointed out that the EFT’s target tracking uses sensor fusion of all available sources of info for “system tracks”, and the Striker I can already provide HMD IFF using radar in-game, which explicitly means any method of target ID available to the EFT would be displayed just as well.
The Rafale/M2KDRMV/A-10C are all just straight up using TDL’s despite gaijins insistence of them not existing in-game.
I still strongly disagree with this. Considering CAPTOR-M should be at least in the ballpark of the V004, and likely many of the upcoming first gen ESA’s (Rafale and Kfir are outliers since they’re using ESA’s that are some 10-20 years newer than what everyone else is likely to get imo). I would not mind the EFT having the “worst” radar out of the top tier fighters if it was atleast near V004 levels.
Personally not a fan of the 27ET in-game, I’m sure other players use them well, and ive gotten some kills with them, but I just find them unreliable. More and more top jets have and will have MAWS, mitigating surprise attack capability, and despite how horrid MAWS are, they’re technically “more” information, just happens said information is often just headache inducing false positives from flares. They also cant be launched LOAL, so they’re range is largely irrelevant, as they must be launched from within visual range, and their flare resistance is rather paltry at the ranges theyre employed at, seemingly without the ability to use datalink to ignore flares (idk if thats a feature irl, but itd be weird not to be imo).
Yup… But alas, I can also see it being one of the “upgrades” with the later variant of the Typhoon we are bound to get at some point
It is entirely dependent on the state of the CAPTOR-M. If it is up to near expected IRL performance and is one of the best mechanical radars in game, then yes. As am I, at least for a little while. To stick with the “weaker” mechanical radar. But there is a big “If” in there. I fear that the CAPTOR-M wont be much better than it is currently and thus its not the strongest mechanical radar in game, but one of the weakest at which point, CAPTOR-E becomes a necessity
That overwhelming advantage from 27ER could be mitigated completely by flying below 100m from the ground, which is fairly simple to do.
Why would you engage in a BVR fight with 7M against 27ER ?
That’s like doing BVR with R-77 against 120s, it simply isn’t optimal nor is anyone forcing you to do so.
The fact that 27SM can’t neither BVR nor dogfight really makes it a suboptimal choice.
Seems silly, but I guess gaijins day job includes flagrant misinterpretation of western sources, so entirely possible for them to claim.
I just dont see CAPTOR-M being a slewable AESA, would be positive for the game in any way atm, granted the ES-05 Raven on the Gripen E may come and thats also slewable, so idk I guess. Gripen likely wouldnt need the Gripen-E either if its radar was modelled better and it was given some newer weapons.
I’d like to take a sec to remind ppl that the general community did not know about excessive multipath modelling, and therefore did not begin abusing it, until rather late in the 27ER’s heyday. This is a major case of hindsight being 20/20.
It should be really
I feel like F-16C have lot easier time to detect target than EFT same problem also exist in Gripen
Well if use that same logic when Gripen A came out why everyone keep dog fight with Gripen ?knowing full well they can’t win
I’ve never experienced much of an issue with either the FA2 or Gripen. But yes, the Typhoon just feels… blind
and then its a Mig-29 dogfighting an F3. Guess who wins.
Compare to F-16C radar and see a Gripen radar
People said Gripen radar are on par with F-16C but It feel like F-16C radar doing better job for detect the target like it completely different (for TWS mode)
Its a radar i’ve yet to use. So shall take your word for it. But overall, there definetly feels like something is “wrong” with the EFTs radar
Yeah EFT radar which supposed to be better than F-16C yet have harder time detect target than f-16C too definitely something wrong with it
Funny how the Gaijin interns still don’t know how to fix some code so that the outer Pylons don’t disappear.
Gripen and FA.2 both have search volumes from pre-change CAPTOR-M, so 37.5% more search volume on the standard (TWS medium, 60x11.4 deg vs CAPTOR-M’s 60x8.4 deg) mode, and all of it vertical.
In hindsight, its actually be the worst vertical search area of the top tier jets(13.7+), all of them have an option to scan 10deg+ vertical, which might be why CAPTOR-M specifically feels so “blind”(beyond the ghosting issues).
Of note, the M2K5F doesn’t have a 10deg scan in TWS, but it does in regular search modes, its has an unusually awful 3deg vertical scan area, but only in TWS, so if you’re looking for a target, you can still rely on all other modes for vertical scans.
It might be, but im not totally convinced that is the chief issue here, Especially as the narrow ( 20°x4°) seems to locate targets very quickly when you point your nose at something you can see visually. If that was the case, the medium (60°x8°) mode should be more reliable as it has the larger vertical scan volume (Think back to that clip of the friendly F-15 being scanned by my radar in the other thread)
Im more leaning towards it being an issue of the extra modes the TWS got in the last CAPTOR-M update that it can swap between and it taking an ages to switch between modes to actually find the target you are pointing the radar at. Which is why the narrow mode finds targets much much faster because its cycling through the different modes much faster.
So im wondering if its not being effecient in what mode its using
Fair point, there def seems to be an issue with it not “seeing” targets in the medium mode as per your previously posted vid, that def doesnt help. I was more approaching it from the angle of trying to find a target you can see yet.
Yep, for that, the medium mode is definetly superior but I do hope we get some more of hte Typhoons scan mode options.
But I do wonder how many times the scan volume has been more than suffecient and I’ve scanned a target more than a few times, but it simply hasnt appeared on the radar display. Making it feel like the scan volume isnt suffecient.
Well I did clap them using ICE, just for the sake of it
Im still waiting for some madman at the Bundeswehr to strap a IRIS-T SLM to a Eurofighter and see what happens. AAMs usually loose about half their range when ground launched, so an air launched SLM should have about 80km range, right :p
its almost like theres a system designed for these situations hmmm