F-15E can carry nearly as many A2G weapons and has FnF
Unless its a close range fight in which case the Rafale is better in most respects. The radar on the typhoon is almost unusable
It is entirely fair and valid to say the Typhoon is udnerperforming significantly in A2G. It is fair to say the Typhoon needs buffs in A2G. The US and USSR are never, ever questioned when they ask for buffs. Su-25SM3 was dominating and yet they got the Su-34. F-16C and F-15C were perfectly competitive for the US and yet they got the F-15E. But a Minor nation asks for historically accuracy on the Typhoon and its unreasonable
Well, It can be given its correct radar, working IRST, historical AGMs, historical MAWS, along with a number of other minor things.
And?
Typhoon has to fly well within range of any SPAA to use a Brimstone and then maintain the laser lock or do an awkward maneuver to pop up at the last second. Meanwhile the Rafale or Su-34 has just fired off 6x FnF AGMs and is already back on teh AF rearming for another run.
Typhoon is more vulnerable to CAP than the Rafale, Su-34 or F-15E/F-16C imo
Congratulations. So does the Rafale, Su-34 and F-15E… So why is this a reason to artificially nerf the Typhoon significantly and no one else?
Heck, their ENTIRE argument for not adding any FnF to the Brimstone can also be applied word for word to remove IOG from the KH-38 and AASM
Also I have no idea what “gunfighting” has anything to do with A2G buffs for the Typhoon or heck, even general ARB or ASB performance. As soon as you factor in Magic II+HMD or MICA+AESA on the Rafale. Any performance advantage it has becomes instantly irrelevant. Typhoon is the weakest 14.0 BVR jet at hte moment.
It did and still does outrange any SPAA in game by a long long way. The increase in multirole power does greatly mitigate it. But the fact they added the Tornado Gr4 with a long speel about the Brimstones being “Too OP” and must be nerfed and then adding the Su-34 with 6x KH-38s in the exact same update despite how much people hated the Su-25SM3 was a total slap in the face. Especially given how outclassed the Tornado Gr4 was compared to most nations top tier CAS. heck it was weaker than several of Britains options and still is
Those weren’t public matches, those were 1v1 duels against a dude that’s really, really good himself.
It was also quite comical to see the “dogfight” between EFT and 27SM, like taking a candy from a baby.
Yup. IF top tier was guns only, That “test” might be relevant. But between the Buggy Vixen and the fairly mediocre performance of the Aim-9M usually. Its totally irrelevant
I was talking about Brimstones particularly, not a plane as a whole.
Your real enemy is CAP, not AA.
It’s obvious EFT shits on everything else, which can’t be said for others. In GRB you won’t have 20+ planes buzzing around and slinging dozens of missiles at everyone.
They tried that combo as well and seems like it didn’t change anything when it comes to dogfighting.
GR4 is at a lower BR than SM3 while being pretty on par. I think that speaks enough.
People hated on SM3 but failed to realize it was a free kill if they hopped in a plane as well.
Most people at top tier won’t waste time getting into a dogfight because thats way too easy to just get caught by a missile from a 3rd party. Though it hardly matters when you play a vehicle that cant outrun the eft/rafale/F15 because you are just worse in every other regard.
Then Brimstone 2s. Typhoon NEVER used Brimstone 1s. If we are to be limited to SAL only. At least give us an AGM that equals the performance of all other nations and use SAL as a means of quantity mitigation. Both guidance method and performance nerfs sucks. Especially when combined with the poor performance of teh Typhoons radar which is also missing A2G modes to help in the use of the SAL Brimstones.
And again… A rafale able to stick at 20km and fire off AASM, and then isntatly find and engage a target with its AESA+MICA combo is WAY stronger than the Typhoons inability to find a 747 on the radar at the moment. Also the Typhoon has to loiter over hte battlefield for ages.Leaving it way more exposed to any CAP or even SPAA
It is weaker in BVR than the Rafale and F-15E. It has weaker short range missiles than the Rafale. It has one of the worst radars in game. The only thing going for it is the FM and Id still rather be in the Rafale than the Typhoon at the moment.
Right so 15x Brimstones on a supersonic platform is weaker than 4x KH-38s on a sub-sonic platform.
On this end I must add that SBU-64’s INS+GNSS have no function at the moment, only the IIR Seeker is working. Effectively you wont get proper locks outside of 8-10km, depending on Map and density - unless you try your luck with terrain lock, which works at full 20km.
Fair, but Id still rather take that at times over the Brimstone 1. Especially in gamemodes where A2G performance is somewhat irrelevant. Like ASB. In GSB. I find myself mostly using PW4s (which are also annoyingly nerfed and wont be modeled correctly)
Also, its likely that the AASMs will actually be fixed sooner rather than later and is a bug. Meanwhile the Typhoon may not get SAL Brimstone 2s anytime soon let alone MMW Brimstone 1s or 2s.
Yeah, giving them more speed than they have now would be a reasonable buff.
We’re speaking about EFT, the best dogfighter in the game, not some brick like Su-34 or SM3 that ceases to exist as soon as anything remotely decent shows up in a CAP role.
It might be the best gunfighter. But not the best CAP.
Its radar has MAJOR issues at the moment and is on par with the SU-27 in terms of radar performance currently. I’ve had the radar not see something it was starring directly at. When compared to the radar on the Su-34 and especially the Rafale. Its woeful. It is not uncommon to have a Rafale lock and fire at you and your radar to never actually see the target to respond in kind.
Magic II and R-73 also totally outclass the Aim-9M in an actual dogfight. Aim-9M has its uses, but a dogfight is not one of them>
Su-34, Rafale and F-15E are overall more reliable CAP at the moment unless the Typhoon has visual with the target and even then. Its Aim-120s might not be of any use if its radar wont lock.
In gamemodes like GSB or ASB. Its practically blind.
They are shorter ranged than the Aim-120. But given the Typhoon is unlikely to actually find a Rafale at any meaningful range at the moment, its largely irrevelant.
Given GRB maps are usually all well within the optimal max range of teh MICA anyway. the extra range on the Aim-120 is irrelevant and thus the Rafale has the much better “BVR” combo within that environment.
Even then. Still shows just how underpowered the Brimstones are if a Sub-sonic attacker with 4x KH-38s is on par with the supersonic attacker with 15x Brimstone 1s.
Given it too could get Brismtone 2s as well. Both the Gr4 and Typhoon need the upgrade.
(Thats if the Brimstone are even considered for that placement and its solely the IR PGMs + CM Count being the reason the GR4 is even that high)
