Its not underpowered by any means.
Typhoon can carry insane amount A2G munitions with 6-10 A2A missiles while having best flight model, MAW system and tons of countermeasures, not to mention it sigficantly costs less than those planes that has F&F munitions.
Poor JAS39 with only 4 AGM65+2 IR missiles costs more than fully loaded Typhoon.
Typhoon doesnt suffer in terms of Cas capabilites.
Wouldn’t it only be 4x mavs though? Not sure how accurate this bit is, as I only found it online:
So if the thing I posted above was correct and you take the max of 4x mavs and fill the remaining slots with A2A missiles (so 2x 9M and 2x 120A/B), you would be both incredibly mid at doing A2G and incredibly mid at doing A2A with that loadout.
It has no FnF AGMs despite the brimstones being FnF IRL. This already puts it way behind it’s contemporaries. (Quantity mitigation is of course needed, but SAL sucks and renders them unusable in air modes)
It has a variant of the Brimstone it never used and should be the Brimstone 2 or later
It’s missing it’s A2G radar modes which would help it a lot in acquiring targets for the Brimstones
It’s missing a vast number of GBU options
It is underperforming. A lot and just because it can get kills, does not mean much. When compared to the volley potential of the Rafale or Su-34
May have triple mount option for one of the hardpoints but can’t run any on the other 2 pylons with that equipped
And in exchange you can carry 16-18 A2G munitions while not sacrificing any missile nor countermeasures, best part is it requires much less SP cost than other planes that has F&F munitions.
This can be added.
Many planes missing their A2G mode which includes JAS39,Rafale,F-16 ect. Typhoon isnt the special.
Current Paveway IV’s are already amazing but sure they can always add more options.
So Typhoon is suffering in one area, meanwhile it shits on anything in 1VS1, carries insane amount of munitions while having best flight model. Poor Typhoon…
Lets be real, the only thing Typhoon is truely suffering right now is the Radar performance, nothing else.
F-15E can carry nearly as many A2G weapons and has FnF
Unless its a close range fight in which case the Rafale is better in most respects. The radar on the typhoon is almost unusable
It is entirely fair and valid to say the Typhoon is udnerperforming significantly in A2G. It is fair to say the Typhoon needs buffs in A2G. The US and USSR are never, ever questioned when they ask for buffs. Su-25SM3 was dominating and yet they got the Su-34. F-16C and F-15C were perfectly competitive for the US and yet they got the F-15E. But a Minor nation asks for historically accuracy on the Typhoon and its unreasonable
Brimstone clearly an allegory to the US made Hellfire.
It works
If you want to use guided bombs from any decent distance you need a lot of altitude which will leave you more vulnerable to enemy jets.
EFT simply shits on everything.
Subsonic bus only had 4x IRs to make it viable. Saying that it was dominating is an overstatement.
Giving them their FnF mode would make EFT totally busted at 12.7.
Only way it could realistically be buffed is if it got more speed.
Defyn is a very good pilot and mostly shits on anyone with anything he flies.
Not to mention that videos mostly consider of the veey good matches and not the bad ones.
The rafale overall performs better then the eft
The person he was dueling in the video is actually much better than Defyn
He’s literally dueling the best duelist in the game.
Well, It can be given its correct radar, working IRST, historical AGMs, historical MAWS, along with a number of other minor things.
And?
Typhoon has to fly well within range of any SPAA to use a Brimstone and then maintain the laser lock or do an awkward maneuver to pop up at the last second. Meanwhile the Rafale or Su-34 has just fired off 6x FnF AGMs and is already back on teh AF rearming for another run.
Typhoon is more vulnerable to CAP than the Rafale, Su-34 or F-15E/F-16C imo
Congratulations. So does the Rafale, Su-34 and F-15E… So why is this a reason to artificially nerf the Typhoon significantly and no one else?
Heck, their ENTIRE argument for not adding any FnF to the Brimstone can also be applied word for word to remove IOG from the KH-38 and AASM
Also I have no idea what “gunfighting” has anything to do with A2G buffs for the Typhoon or heck, even general ARB or ASB performance. As soon as you factor in Magic II+HMD or MICA+AESA on the Rafale. Any performance advantage it has becomes instantly irrelevant. Typhoon is the weakest 14.0 BVR jet at hte moment.
It did and still does outrange any SPAA in game by a long long way. The increase in multirole power does greatly mitigate it. But the fact they added the Tornado Gr4 with a long speel about the Brimstones being “Too OP” and must be nerfed and then adding the Su-34 with 6x KH-38s in the exact same update despite how much people hated the Su-25SM3 was a total slap in the face. Especially given how outclassed the Tornado Gr4 was compared to most nations top tier CAS. heck it was weaker than several of Britains options and still is
Those weren’t public matches, those were 1v1 duels against a dude that’s really, really good himself.
It was also quite comical to see the “dogfight” between EFT and 27SM, like taking a candy from a baby.
Its also a guns only fight. The Rafale dominates in the short to medium range Magic 2 and MICA are superior.
Yup. IF top tier was guns only, That “test” might be relevant. But between the Buggy Vixen and the fairly mediocre performance of the Aim-9M usually. Its totally irrelevant
I was talking about Brimstones particularly, not a plane as a whole.
Your real enemy is CAP, not AA.
It’s obvious EFT shits on everything else, which can’t be said for others. In GRB you won’t have 20+ planes buzzing around and slinging dozens of missiles at everyone.
They tried that combo as well and seems like it didn’t change anything when it comes to dogfighting.
GR4 is at a lower BR than SM3 while being pretty on par. I think that speaks enough.
People hated on SM3 but failed to realize it was a free kill if they hopped in a plane as well.
Check the comments please, they said missiles wouldn’t change a thing in the duel.
Most people at top tier won’t waste time getting into a dogfight because thats way too easy to just get caught by a missile from a 3rd party. Though it hardly matters when you play a vehicle that cant outrun the eft/rafale/F15 because you are just worse in every other regard.
Then Brimstone 2s. Typhoon NEVER used Brimstone 1s. If we are to be limited to SAL only. At least give us an AGM that equals the performance of all other nations and use SAL as a means of quantity mitigation. Both guidance method and performance nerfs sucks. Especially when combined with the poor performance of teh Typhoons radar which is also missing A2G modes to help in the use of the SAL Brimstones.
And again… A rafale able to stick at 20km and fire off AASM, and then isntatly find and engage a target with its AESA+MICA combo is WAY stronger than the Typhoons inability to find a 747 on the radar at the moment. Also the Typhoon has to loiter over hte battlefield for ages.Leaving it way more exposed to any CAP or even SPAA
It is weaker in BVR than the Rafale and F-15E. It has weaker short range missiles than the Rafale. It has one of the worst radars in game. The only thing going for it is the FM and Id still rather be in the Rafale than the Typhoon at the moment.
Right so 15x Brimstones on a supersonic platform is weaker than 4x KH-38s on a sub-sonic platform.
On this end I must add that SBU-64’s INS+GNSS have no function at the moment, only the IIR Seeker is working. Effectively you wont get proper locks outside of 8-10km, depending on Map and density - unless you try your luck with terrain lock, which works at full 20km.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/ntVms3xAqKO7
