How can this shit happen.
They downgraded how the cockpit looks once the update went live.
Devserver
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Found a new problem, EFS is not working :)
Ohh thats unfortunate, I’ll see if I can nudge a dev.
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I made a bug-report on, if it helps.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/FpyVODaMiYQo
I thought the cockpit looked different yesterday. I don’t think it was from dev server to live server but I think it was one of the updates on Tuesday or Wednesday that’s done it. Could swear the cockpit was proper on Monday when the update came out
Eurofighter’s lower-wing load makes up for it mostly, it currently is lacking hard in its ITR AoA (even in STR, in fact), whereas the Rafale has been modelled correctly in this department as far as I am aware (the difference between them currently is massive, to say the least a fixed EFT would be a much better match however). The only reference that I have been able to find about Rafale beating the Eurofighter in WVR A2A combat comes from a French source (airforces.fr to be precise) and is dated to 2009 (so for one, it’s old, and two, it’s very possibly biased). I have not been able to find anything else in regards to EFT versus Rafale.
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Well my last point of reference was on the dev server.
So my conclusion was it changed from dev server to live
@Smin1080p_WT are they planning to add PIRATE to the German Eurofighter or is this one of these weird dev things
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Hopefully. It will also clear the road towards AMK for all EFT users in the future, otherwise only Germany would have a claim to it due to having tested/trialed it.
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I think AMK wouldn’t really be that useful in game
It gets max about 10kg less or its about even, its not making up for anything.
Rafales ITR is around 32°/s and STR 24°/s with up to 32° of AoA.
Do we have current figures of both in WT??
Because if i do quick look on google, usually EF is stated to do 1-2° less in both cases.
The EF is significantly under performing in ITR and STR in game currently. The ITR of the EF prototype with tornado engines is 29.7d/s and the STR of the same prototype should be well over 20d/s as the prototype exceeded the 20d/s requirement with the engines with significantly less thrust. This is with full fuel and 4 missiles.
Actual built in service typhoon should far exceed those numbers especially in STR simply due to the lighter and significantly more powerful EJ200 engine.
In game the EF fall short of even the Prototype numbers by about 5d/s
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EFs (online) data is based on the prototype with weaker engines and an unpolished airframe, full fuel and a missile load. The requirement, however, was to achieve >29.7° ITR and >20° STR (the prototype exceeded the STR requirement by about 5° from what I remember), currently the EFT manages just about ~23.5° ITR and ~16° STR. So in terms of STR, the EFT should be more than a match, in fact it should perform better once fixed (>1°+).
But, from what Flame and Fireball have told me, the EFs (finished one, not the prototype’s) ITR has been stated to be at least 32°+, STR, as @oppsijustkilledu has already mentioned, should also be higher than the prototype’s.
I think most important problems are Radar performance and random wing snapping.
I tested Viggens radar and it performs much better when it comes to scanning speed and rate, meanwhile CAPTOR-M struggles to see this right in front of it.
Also random wing snappings are so annoying, past couple days my EFT broke its wing so much it made me pull my hairs.
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Aaaaand the source for these claims is exactly where.
If this can be trusted. Its actually rafale which is missing 4°/S in sustain and both are doing WELL over 32°/s ITR but thats due to higher WT G limits. If i limit it to 9Gs, they are closer 3° more than aaustrian papers for rafale. If anything EF2000 according to what can be found is overperforming by 2° and rafale underperforming by whopping 4°. If these charts are correct, i dunno. I dont have ingame flown chart at hand.
Blue is rafale
Orange is EF
@Fireball_2020 has the documents and they have already been submitted to the devs
Also those charts hilariously wrong 💀
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In the bug reports.
If anything EF2000 according to what can be found is overperforming by 2° and rafale underperforming by whopping 4°. If these charts are correct, i dunno. I dont have ingame flown at hand.
These graphs are far from accurate and taking them at face value is uh, interesting to say the least.
If you read what i wrote, you would notice that i dont know if they are right and that i dont have on hand STR and ITR of these planes handflown in game. Do you???
Yes.
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