That was before Typhoon procurement.
There are no orders for UK Typhoons.
Yes that can change and we all hope it does.
Time for Eurofighter II electric boogaloo and a QE carrier refit. Redesign it for L/O and add tonnes of RAM and then keep the avionics more or less the same as T5 Eurofighter, add EJ 200 Tranche 2 and an arrestor hook and say goodbye to this ridiculous American policy of screwing their customers.
Even if it ended up being a UK only venture. Though if they ever went through with it I can see the other nations buying into it without the carrier compatibility.
Of course such a thing would never happen as we are much to cheap for that.
Even less credible then lol.
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I really don’t see how its laughable, the UK has already invested billions, it has 2 international partners including 2 of the nations with the most advanced stealth technology outside of America, it has a workshare agreement and a contract that penalises them if they leave such a project.
They also were the only tier 1 partner on F-35 and had actual input into the basic design, and have had multiple 2nd generation stealth developments which are confirmed to have been used on F-35.
They have a new engine developed, they’re building a prototype 6th gen airframe right next to where they build current 5th gen airframes and using knowledge they gained and used to help Turkey develop their own 6th generation airframe…
What part of that screams ‘they won’t be able to develop a Gen 6 airframe’. If anyone can do it outside of the US you’d think the UK would be able to.
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So in theory the Typhoon wing pylons can carry everything (Brimstones, bombs, A2G missiles, and A2A missiles) since the hardware and system are the same and all compatible in all wing pylons?
Because they cannot afford to do anything.
It depends on potential supporters and if the UK can match the US offering that is cheaper
We have had numerous opportunities to attack the export market.
Would be great to see.
Did you not just read my list of costly things the UK has developed, some specifically for Tempest. Including: a new engine, development of stealth technology, development of next-gen radar systems, development of directed energy weapons, development of new airframe manufacturing techniques, development of a new EW system is also in the works.
The UK is contractually tied into Tempest now, the idea being that it cannot be terminated because financially it’s costlier to cancel than to just finish the project.
Have you considered that perhaps the UK has been saving in areas like ordering more Eurofighters in order to put money aside for Tempest. A cost which has not been incurred by Germany and to a much smaller degree for Italy than the UK. Not that I’m suggesting that but every single thing you’ve mentioned in the UK not buying has been explained in perfectly reasonable terms to you.
Not really sure what this is supposed to mean, the UK/BAE have been responsible for the vast majority of successful Eurofighter export bids.
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Whilst I do agree the UK armed forces are in a laughable state, Tempest is one of the few projects that doesn’t reflect that, and believe me Japan scrutinised the UK defence industry before agreeing to sign the co-development agreement.
Anyway, this is vastly off-topic, Im not discussing it any further here.
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Me when we just made a Eurofighter deal with Turkey
The Government can cancel the UKs participation within the programme at any time and have been known to. No one has developed a Gen 6 airframe that budget is going to stretched to absolute limit. We havent managed to develop an indigenous Gen 5 airframe and neither have the proposed business partners.
Yes we are a Tier 1 partner on the F-35 programme, to go to Gen 6 is a massive leap from that.
This is a serious undertaking and would swallow a large percentage of Britains defense spending.
At a time when the UK needs to purchase Archer, Boxer, Ajax, CR3, SHORAD systems and new small arms.
Necessary upgrades to the current Typhoon fleet.
Producing more surface ships and RN AUKUS submarine development.
If you look at UK defence spending really look at it, we are nothing short of broke.
We can only pick and choose programmes that are necessary.
We will know more when the defence spending review has concluded.
I hope we do develop a world beating system!
The point flew over you head didn’t
Fun fact no one has made a 6th generation fighter
We have derailed this thread enough
yes the outer wing pylons have 14 inch lugs for 1000lbs classs weapons and the middle and inner ones have 14 and 30 inch lugs for 1000 and 2000lbs class weapons. plus the same electrical connection standard everywhere. they’re all wired for smart weapons.
the only limit is weight and size (in terms of aerodynamics and clearance)
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So theoretically speaking :
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All types of A2A missiles can be carried on all wing pylons if MFRL is provided to the inner and middle pylons so total of 6 missiles (3 on each side).
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Taurus KEPD 350 and Storm Shadow/Scalp EG can only be carried on inner or middle pylons so total of 2 (1 on each side).
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Brimstone, AGM-88 HARM and SPEAR 3 can be carried on all wing pylons so total of 6 missiles for AGM-88 HARM, 18 missiles for the brimstone and 18 missiles or 24 missiles for SPEAR 3 (3 on each side).
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Marte ER and Joint Strike Missiles can be carried on all wing pylons so total of 6 missiles (3 on each side).
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The rest are bombs, Paveway II/III/Enhanced Paveway, 500-lb Paveway IV, Small Diameter Bombs, Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM), HOPE/HOSBO, and Spice 250.
- yes, though its 4 on each side with the ITSPL ( IR SRAAM Only)
- Yes, this is a clearance / aerodynamics restriction, 4 missiles total might also be too heavy
- yes for brimstone and spear-3, not sure what the HARM rail mounts on
- marte ER was test-fitted with 6 missiles (not integrated though), not sure abt JSM, different dimensions & weight
- currently integrated are afaik just paveways (enhanced and not enhanced). SDB might be possible with 24 total but not sure, there might be clearance or aerodynamic issues. jdam should be fine, hope&hosbo… who knows, they never really went anywhere, spice250 is about the same as SDB.
the inner wing pylons have a big length and width restriction because they’re in front of the landing gear and right next to the fuselage. I think that the quad SDB rack (BRU-61/A) is fine because its smaller than a paveway (this is ignoring aerodynamics though). the Smart Quad Rack (SQR) for spice-250 should also be fine imo
all in the realm of “technical compatibility” though. spear-3 is only planned (if at all) to be used on triple racks (just like brimstone) and then 4 at most because they want those external fuel tanks. remember, if you take the tpod, you lose the center line fuel tank. so a typical combat loadout would be 6 brimstone, 2 paveways, 2 fuel tank, 4 MRAAMs and 2 IR SRAAMs. and the tpod ofc
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Export market is more about politics than actual capabilities or price.
Very few countries want to buy our stuff because we are the UK.
And yet we are the only people to manage to export Tornado and Eurofighter.
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Ignoring how those arent specialy uk exports but ok
Ehhh I know what you mean but the engines engines and airframes have been provided via RR and BAE.
Saudi Arabia doesn’t really count. Its purely political and they have more money than they know what to do with.
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Saudi, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar Sooo yeah we’ve managed decent export success
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