Keep in mind this and remember that in most case.
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Not sure where you’re getting 20000 lbf from. For sources, look at the accepted bug reports and other sources posted so far. Or just look them up yourself, the manufacturer and airforce statements are public. Do I need to collect them for you?
Im not forgetting this, nor is a lot of the other forum users
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/6VynGN5lzXHW
Had to create another report because the mods dgaf to look back at previous reports
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I get the 20,000 from the bug report sources. 🙃
While im at it here it is from MTU.
20000lbf is minimally above what its rated at in kN, and as you said thats without channel losses. The channel losses are hardly whats being criticised in terms of performance, its the non static thrust and performance
On that note, we could bring up how the 90kN afterburner rating is the EJ200 in its throttled configuration, and not the actual max performance. Specifically 69 kN dry and 95 kN on reheat are achievable via a toggle off of low maintenance mode, the standard combat setting
They would probably consider that “combat thurst”. Many aircraft, like the Tornados, had higher but limited use thrust settings. Currently only the Mig-21BIS gets access to combat thrust. Last offiical word from the devs [regarding the tornado] was “Not now, but maybe in the future”
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Do you mean temporary increased thrust? Because thats not it. EJ-200s are permanently throttled, until you have an engineer remove the limiter digitally, and then its permanently at its higher (true max) performance. Don’t think that would count under limited combat thrust
I could see Gaijin still counting that extra thrust as comabt thrust. You could try to report it if you have good sources for all that though.
Certainly worth a try, I’ll collect sources
Nevermind, it was already reported: Community Bug Reporting System
And promptly ignored despite various indepent sources as “assumptions and calculations”
That is correct but finding a good source with the exact thrust good luck. If the flight preformance wasn’t so guarded bug reporting the FM would be an shut case.
You will not get a bug report through without 1 primary source or 2 secondary sources.
That is fair, though I maintain that for lack of other sources or data its reasonable to think that EF currently underperforms in some areas, if only slightly. I felt it was quite solid and very close to finished before the recent nerfs since it matched the claims and pilot testimonies we had quite well, I just don’t know how it really behaves after the new changes.
I would wager worse, which is why I’m advocating for buffs and hoping to reach a middle ground instead of advocating middle ground and getting nerfs
Unfortunately it will probably be neither without an credible source.
But i can’t cause it is only an univerty research paper and the numbers are all speculative. Even their sources listed are trash so I hope they got an poor grade for it.
Oh fancy, a paper, I’ll give it a read
Wouldn’t it be better to start with an aircraft in optimal weight and balance CG instead of relying on trims and stuff to compensate?
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Seeing as there is a lot of reports for the EFT would you like some place that can monitor their statuses and posts updates in one place. For example a discord server with channels for vehicles. When an issue gets updated it could send the message there.
Is this something you would like?
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Sure but does it update automatically?