Mirage 50CN Pantera firing the Israeli Python III missile
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@panzerknoef There is something that I have noticed lately and it seems that the Mirage Pantera may carry more countermeasures than we thought. I have been analyzing a series of photos and I noticed that in several photos at the bottom of the countermeasures area it seems there be more.
In these photos you can see the typical lateral countermeasures, which are 36, but if you look at the area below (where I marked with red) there seems to be more:
I analyzed more photos and I found this, in fact in this photo it is clearly seen that the light blue area where the countermeasures go also includes the area below:
another photo where you can see the countermeasures area much closer, you can see that this area can be removed:
Taking all this into account, I believe that Chile’s Mirage Pantera can actually carry twice as many countermeasures, that is 72, what do you think?
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Mirage go brrr.
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I think it is indeed related to the counter measure system, but I doubt it’s actually another chaff/flare dispenser. Maybe rather some sensor or smth?
Here I left the countermeasures developed in Chile that the Pantera used, you don’t see anything extra other than the countermeasure dispensers and the black device is too small.
I have some photos where you can see the Panthers in flight and it can be seen from afar that it has something underneath, I’m almost sure they are more countermeasures
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Hmmm yes, these angles make it a lot more convincing!
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I think I’m going to fix the publication and add those countermeasures that I discovered now, I also plan to go to the aeronautical museum here in Chile to see if I can verify it, although it will be difficult for the museum managers to let me thoroughly inspect the plane, always I wanted better photos of the Pantera cockpit
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Update:
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I restructured the complete suggestion respecting the dates and modernization processes and adding more photos about this process
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Added all the information about the new Chilean RWR, technical specifications and characteristics
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I added a lot of new photos, including the electronic systems, the HUD of the Mirage Pantera and photos showing the weapons
I am trying to see the possibility of allowing me to take a photo or video of the cockpit of the Mirage Pantera that is in the Santiago museum in Chile, since the couple of photos that I added to the suggestion despite being of the plane are not from Too much quality, so if I get it I will share it here.
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Seems like a Kfir C.7(ish) but with a worse engine, +1 for me as it’d be an interesting addition!
Could easily sit at a BR of ~11.7 and would be a great addition to the Israeli Air TT!
Also I really love the blue camo on this thing, so sick
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If they ever add it, I would like it to have as secondary camouflage the one used by the Pantera prototype with its characteristic decoration on the paint.
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Gosh I love those blue camos much
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Here I found some rare photos of the Pantera in flight where you can clearly see the paint scheme from all angles.
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Looking at this images makes me realize this plane has the early kfir canard/mirage 5 wing, wouldnt make much difference right now but if this plane was added a year ago it would wing rip less than a regular kfir
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The wing design never contributed to how the wing ripping occurred ingame. The Kfir C.2/7 were and still are just able to pull a bit hard and some more G’s, allowing that to happen, they had the same wing overload limitations as some of the other Kfir/Mirage aircraft. It would still have happened to this aircraft if was allowed to pull those Gs, which knowing gaijin they probably would have allowed that given the new Canard configuration.
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Before when I played with the Kfir the wings would tear very quickly, now even when turning quite a bit they hold up well, do you know what the G force limit is that the Mirage/Kfir wings can withstand?
The way wing ripping occurs was overhauled and changed by gaijin a while back. This is what buffed the Kfir, F-8C (F-8U-2), Ayit, F-104, AMX, etc. the exact values and such determining the strength of the wings in unknown to me, but they should be somewhere within the files.
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This, the Cheetah, Mirage III NG and Mirage 50 EV are the planes I want the most. Great thread too btw
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In a latin american forum, I read the following:
DM/A-202 en la FACH, que pueden cargar hasta un total de 216 chaff cartridges y 108 flare cartridges.
So it is a maximum of either 216 Chaff OR 108 Flares. What possible combinations there are and if the Pantera could carry this max. combo are unknown to me.
Maybe I will find a better and more precise Nr. in the future.
Btw, the 202 is also the same component used for the F-5E. But also no idea if they have enough cartridges to reach that high of a number.
Here is a closer look to the dispensers. I am not sure if this is the max. amount of modules/cartridges it could use or just a reference picture.
Judging by your picture shared above about the full EW system, it doesn’t seem to be a specific number, so it might vary, depending on requirements.
I could try to reach out to a FACH crew chief with 17 years of duty, he might know more or be able to get more accurate numbers on this, just let me know.
Kind regards,
~Bogey
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+1 for a Latin American tree
It was precisely in this part of the suggestion that I added the characteristics of the countermeasure dispenser. It also indicates a high quantity. But I doubt it could have carried that many. It’s difficult to find good photos where you can see the lower part of the fighter, which is where I think more could be carried, as I showed in some photos above.
If you could contact that person from the FACH and ask him/her the maximum number of countermeasures that the Mirage Pantera could carry, that would be great.
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