Hah! Yeah, couldn’t remember the English word so went with the one i could think of x)
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i still dont like the fact that 3 nations will have 40 km range sams, that will make every other nations spaa useless, even more drastically than the pantsir did
the pantsir went from 12 km to 20
and most nations had 10-12 at that point
now we are going from 20 to 40
while every nation but russia still has 10-12…
Who is getting 40km range SAMs? So far we have seen one with 12km range and one with 17km range. That leaked SLM launcher for Germany can theoretically launch SLS missiles, so it would be limited to 12km as well.
it can not
They have fitted SLS missiles to the launchers in the Ukraine.
so far that we know from Gsabi and other leakers
IRIS-T SLM (makes no mention of SLS in any way in the leaks)
3½t Truck (SAM-1) (“Type 81 (C)”) with ARH missile
SPYDER AiO (Derby/Python 5 launcher)
different vehicles, germany decided to no get those modifications because they have the boxer iris-t in development
"Combination of IRIS-T SLM and IRIS-T SLS
However, Germany is not only wasting time and resources with this approach, but also wasting opportunities. Diehl Defence has made a number of changes to its air defence system for Ukraine, which were introduced by Ukrainian soldiers based on their experience in the ongoing war. One of these concerns the combination of IRIS-T SLM (Medium Range) and IRIS-T SLS (Short Range).
The SLM and SLS missiles are different. SLM interceptors are significantly larger, but also have greater range and extended capabilities. SLS are smaller, cheaper and identical to those used by fighter aircraft. As Ukraine’s air defence is constantly in a state of emergency, it needs a mix of weapons that is appropriate for the attacker, the ammunition supply and the budget.
Diehl Defence actually managed to combine solutions for both systems within a few months, so that Ukraine can now deploy its IRIS-T SLM in combination with the SLS. Both systems and the combination are not only mobile, but also battle-tested against Russian attacks.
However, instead of recognising Ukraine’s certifications and adopting those systems that have been jointly developed by combat-proven air defenders and industry as a result of war experience, German procurement practice remains the same. And the German plans do not envisage a Ukrainian solution, but an IRIS-T SLS based on the Boxer: The anti-aircraft missile tank (FlaRakPz), which is to be developed as part of the Nah- und Nahbereichschutz (NNbS) programme."
Germany literaly just returned a IRIS_T SLM to diehl because the current crane used in ukraine doesnt fit their safety requirements.
If it doesnt fit germanys plans they dont take it
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Spyder AiO doesn’t have to come with Derbys, so it could be limited to the sub 20km range and as far as I know the SAM-1C has 14km of range.
all other ground launched AHR have 40kms range, so was an assumpion
and yes syder doesnt have to come with derbys, but the python 5 has the same body as a derby with different seeker i think, so would still have 40km range
If the German ones cannot launch SLS missiles then there is simply no way that Gaijin would add the SLM with realistic specs. They either give Germany one of the launchers that were modified for the Ukraine or they nerf the SLM to be in line with the other nations SAMs.
Derby and Python 5 don’t have the same range, the Derby is larger than the Python missiles and a ground launched Python 5 has roughly 15km of range.
thats what i see online, though maybe ppl using air launch specs again
so you mean in line with sth like the spyder aio and the derby ?
In line with the Elde, the CS/SA5, the Type 81C ARH and the currently most realistic options for France (Dutch NOMADS or the Crotale Mk.3) and Britain (Cactus SAM with SAHV)
if they are going to add the Dutch NOMADS this update, they wouldnt have made the EldE 98 so i dont think we will see that any time soon
since its a norwegian vehicle that couldve gone into the swedish tree as well
why? its the swedish tree, norway isnt part of the tech tree
also aparently Sweden is getting a TT Danish M24 Chaffee this update
I mean, what other options does France have?
the ItO 90M was also added before finland was an official subtree
and there are some norwegian vehicles in there already