It definitely has 20km range. The ADATS doesn’t hit 10km either when the target maneuvers, same goes for the VT-1 and its 12km of range.
That doesn’t negate the fact that the missiles have 20km of range while the rest of the world struggles to deal with targets within 10km of range.
i said 4 to 8 because you can see some Spyders with single rack of 4 to double rack of 4 being a total of 8 missiles.
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Man, who cares about the AIO?
Just get this
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If you are hit from 20km away, that’s a you issue. Maybe don’t fly in a straight line. Also, I’ve tested this with a friend of mine (we both have Pantsirs), our average hit is from 9-12km, with advance manoeuvring being down in the 9km area.
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Pantsir isn’t some death bubble machine unlike the IR SAMs (Type 81) even below 10km.
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So 4 lunchers will just be empty?
They will nerf it by giving it only p5 or smt
Its peper spaa but they can add david sling tho
that doesnt even exist yet it just a render and there is a scale mockup that was revealed in the paris air show in 2019.
Did I call it a death bubble? Just from a stats perspective alone it is beyond stupid to let one nation attack aircraft at up to 20km range while the rest only gets to attack aircraft at a range between 10km and 12km of range.
All SAMs lose range when the target maneuvers, the Pantsir still has more range in that case though.
Spoiler
Not to forget that the Pantsir acts as a CIWS as well and carries more missiles than any other SAM at top tier
Wait i just saw that
Is that new?
Ah but its probably needs a radar vehicle next to it
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Cool, so it still has more range against maneuvering targets than the rest of the world.
I can reliably take out planes at 12km with an ItO and a HQ-17. But please, keep crying about a literal semi truck.
You’re fixated on the wrong stat.
Just because Roland has 10km of maximum range, it doesn’t mean it’ll hit anything that far out.
the difference between both is that one needs a radar to operate and the other one dont.
Right, the wrong stat, when most CAS outranges our SAMs
That’s not necessarily the case, the missiles seeker view can theoretically be fed through to a monitor in the vehicle that then uses it as a electro optical seeker to find targets (the missile wouldn’t do any computing and only send the video as a passthrough).
So compare to the aim-9x seeker (just for illustrative purposes) that sees this (top left corner is what the seeker sees):
So there is obviously a way to send that video to an outside source in some way, an outside source that can then do all the processing of the video feed to find IR targets.
The radar would be the best option for obvious reasons, but purely theoretically it can be done (how do you think early tv and IR AGM’s were locked onto a target?).
In this 9X case it is more of a Black Box scenario, but yes, indeed theoretically feed of IR seeker can be displayed in the vehicle. I know of at least one case where ASRAAM was used as such.
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yes but you can start the launch at 20 km without worying about your max range, the ItO needs to wait till 14 ish km or less before he can launch without a sweat
the IRIS-T will be very dependant on if it can lock targets from further away than the 12 km, sources online seem to suggest 25 km lock range, but unclear if that is all aspect or just rear aspect
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It matters because if it says lockon over the full kinematic range for an air launch ~25km, that means even if they decide it has a reduced range against X ,Y, or Z targets in-game, they cannot reasonably claim that reduced range would be less than it’s full ground launch range ~12km, a more than 50% reduction in lock range.
Means no more helicopter hovering outside of stinger’s (ahistorically nerfed) lock range.
yes but all what you are saying it literally goes to the trash because the eldenhet 98 does not have an electro-optical sensor it needs %100 the radar to operate the missiles and launch them also “yea good you can see what the seeker sees through a monitor” but thats after the launch and its used to see how the missile operates and if there is some anomalies, its not used to lock the missile into a plane brother.