While I do agree that Israeli SLERA armor (used on most of modern Israeli equipment) is underperforming due to artificial nerfs. But examples you gave are not based on real facts.
Instead Israeli has Trophy, the production tank Merkava Mk.3M only uses Trophy APS, unless you’re talking about prototype that had Iron Fist.
Raam Sagol is no ordinary APS, it doesn’t use explosive charges like hard-kill systems and it doesn’t jams incoming projectiles like soft-kill systems. It turns the turret to face the direction from where the tank is being lased and shots smoke Grenades automatically. If you ask me it would’ve been very annoying to play, imagine your teammates laser rangefinding you to troll.
And Gaijin explained that in devblog when releasing that vehicle.
Nonsense, it’s not like they decide to do so. I have no idea what vehicle you’re talking about, but in the case you’re talking about Eitan (the vehicle this suggestion is talking about) it never used 105mm gun, only the IFV version that uses 30mm Bushmaster was ever built. FSV variant with 105mm is a mockup, period.
Who? What?! This is community suggestion - not an official dev blog, I’m a player - not a gaijin employee. And how you’ve been waiting for Lavi for 6 years when Israel was only added 3 years ago?
I wasn’t talking about that specifically although it is a problem, I was mostly talking about the tech tree itself and the lack of crazy prototypes and other vehicles but most important (to me) is the lack of Active Protection Systems and the Iron fist not existing in The Israeli Tech tree and that the Eitan specifically does have the Iron fist system and today even Merkavas are starting to be fitted with the Iron fist although in smaller numbers so it is true that Israel does use more trophy system (or as we call it Meil Roah that translates to Wind Coat not trophy and I am not sure why) but seeing as the Iron fist is also an Israeli Invention you would expect it to appear in the Israeli tech tree, no? I think so but maybe Im looking at this the wrong way.
edit: also the dang Spike not being able to hit anything right, its almost useless even though its one of the best AT missiles in the game if not the best, why did they make it this way?! its supposed to obliterate even T90s if it would hit from the angle its supposed to, even if it hits anything just in an angle that goes into the tank and not to the side or from below upwards into the commander sight and makes it barely orange I would be satisfied, but the Spike never hits anything correctly unless by sheer dumb luck once every 10 matches or so
that is a good reason I have nothing to add here but I am still salty about it, I bought it 2 days before it went on sale for half the price, only to find out it doesn’t do the only reason I bought it… that is my fault and stupidity for not reading it but… yea that’s about it
what about the Eitan 8×8 equipped with Sabrah 105mm turret that was soposed to be sold to Brazil? its the one that is actually made to be very capable around tanks the American Stryker also mostly uses the 30mm Bushmaster but war thunder added it with its 105mm in premium as the “wolfpack” variant. doesn’t that count?
I’m seriously asking I thought it does but you seem to know more than I do here. I hope they will at least make a premium one that does have it or make it a modification because it would be very hard otherwise the 30mm Bushmaster is terrible as it is in war thunder (in my opinion)
wait Israel wasnt introduced in 2020? (I still did the math wrong in my head and added an extra year), my bad. Im playing on and off since 2018 so Im not that good with war thunder update times, they are all mixed together for me, the only update I remember exactly is the 19th of June 2024 when they added the Sholef because when I found out about it the day after it was exactly 10 days before my brother’s birthday
yea I know I’m complaining to my fellow players and I hope (I know it wouldn’t happen but I still hope) that a rogue employee who looks at these chats and maybe will think its a good idea to add the Lavi finally, heck I would gladly help translate Hebrew documents for free if they would ask
here is a great tree made by the community that fixes that:
israeli HKAPSs are relatively new. there arent many vehicles that can have them.
also the namer tsariach just got announced for next update, and it does have trophy.
and the Iron fist not existing in The Israeli Tech tree
there are only like 2 vehicles that can get it without being copy pastas. sabra mk2 iron fist and the eitan.
maybe merkava mk4A prototype, though Im not sure gaijen will ever add it.
except for the merkava 4A iron fist prototype, there is no proof proof for a merkava 4 with iron fist. they all have trophy.
the “M” in merkava mk4M stands for meil ruach. there is no merkava mk4K
it is incredibly common for israeli military equipment to have different names in english/hebrew
as I said before, Iron fist and trophy are more common on the forign market as israel dominates the HKAPS market. and there are very few IDF vehicles that use them that we know of
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edit: also the dang Spike not being able to hit anything right, its almost useless even though its one of the best AT missiles in the game if not the best, why did they make it this way?! its supposed to obliterate even T90s if it would hit from the angle its supposed to, even if it hits anything just in an angle that goes into the tank and not to the side or from below upwards into the commander sight and makes it barely orange I would be satisfied, but the Spike never hits anything correctly unless by sheer dumb luck once every 10 matches or so
has been like this for a while. spaghetti code is to blame more then anything
thats the problem with the balancing between fun and realism. I think gaijen should have added something different.
also a mockup. and it wasnt based on the eitan. rather a boxer (iirc, though def not a eitan)
there also was a concept for a sabrah turret on a pandur 8x8 but it didnt go anywhere from what it seems.
thats the stryker MGS and its also in the tech tree.
thing is, the stryker MGS was deployed by the US for a couple of years.
and while there are plans for a stryker with a 30mm. it didnt enter service yet.
it does seem to be less reliable in damage than the 35mm bushmaster or the 25mm bushmaster
it was added in late 2021
another vehicle botched by gaijen
gaijen employees that go around here are mostly just moderators and helpers.
if you want the lavi you could suggest it, though this has already been done a couple of times with no sign of gaijen putting it in the game.