Yeah I think that would be the best way to move forward, though I would probably wait until this one goes through before doing so.
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Wdym? Passed to devs? That could take YEARS, that it was put public is all it takes.
You could pretty much C&P this suggestion and change the core to the 15 cm gun.
I’m not a fan of paper vehicles, but this one was mostly built, most importantly, both of the guns mounted on the turret were fully functional and used in the war, so building what’s basically a metal shell around those guns is fine (the WZ-111 would be similar in possibly not having a turret built, but the hull and gun were functional, unlike the infamous Swedish Kranvagn, which didn’t even have a functional gun AFAK).
+1 as a squadron or premium vehicle, with maybe a modification to choose between the two turrets
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Spawning E-100 in full downtier be like:
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I think doing the same “repairing” process on all the other removed german vehicles would be a great idea too. Add in similair vehicles but in their correct and historical forms. +1
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A decided no from me. What you call the Maus II turret was little more than a blueprint sketch. To even attempt to model it in the detail that War Thunder demands immediately puts it into what-if fantasy territory.
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As an event vehicle, this would be a great way for
newer players to experience the E-100 without having to spend ridiculous amounts of money. Most players also aren’t good enough to win tournaments where the E-100 is a main prize.
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you didn’t even read the post in its entirity lmao, it’s EXTREMELY unlikely that it was just a paper turret, given what repercussions Krupp would face for not only working against direct orders, but not developing anything whilst wasting ridiculous amounts of resources on such a project this late in the war. The only hull we have wouldn’t have been modified for it had it only been a technical sketch, as you suggest. Putting the Maus I turret on it (the current state of the vehicle) is far more abhorrent than what OP was suggesting, as it ignores the actual development of the tank.
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I would respectfully disagree on the Maus II turret being merely a blueprint sketch. The design was fully completed, and was awarded official contracts from Wa.Preuf 6 for 1:5 scale engineering wooden mockups.
These wooden mockups on the Maus tank completely replaced the preproduction prototype phase. There was a 1:5 scale and a full scale mockup made to the full detail of the engineering blue prints. they even included details such as armor joints, weld seams, joint pin reinforcements, internal equipment mockups, and many other unusually highly detailed features. They were used to test for manufacturability to ensure there were no unexpected design faults which might complicate construction. In addition, they were also used to test for crew ergonomics and equipment operability, with an actual crew inside the full scale mockup. Once the test results from these mockups were approved the Maus more or less went straight to serial production. An order was placed less than two weeks for 135 Maus tanks. Armor plate to manufacture 30 was delivered less than a month later. The first hull was welded together less than two months later.
The wooden mockup of the Maus used instead of a preproduction Prototype
The Maus II turret was similarly awarded an official contract for a 1:5 Scale wooden engineering mockup as the Maus. By August 1944, these were well under construction. Important to note though, is that Maus hull 8 and onward received modifications to bring them to the Maus II standard. Chiefly side armor reduced to 170 mm and enlarged turret rings. In addition, the E-100 also showed several features hinting at the enlarged turret ring, chiefly among them is a cutout in the lower side armor to accommodate the much larger Maus II turret basket. The fact that work was done on hulls to prepare them to accept the enlarged turret rings and baskets of the Maus II turret, combined with the orders for the engineering wooden mockups, strongly indicates that the turret designs likely reached some form of late stage preproduction, and were actively being prepared for serial production. The dedicated E-100 turret however, is likely just a paper design due to the generally low-priority nature of the E-100.
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Nothing changes. Both the Maus II and reduced weight E-100 turret were never actually produced, we have only second-hand surface blueprints of them, internal layout is unknown, optics are unknown, ammo capacity is unknown, turret traverse speed is unknown, crew-placement is unknown.
If a shell of the turret would have been completed, plans for the layout would need to be available, which to our current knowledge, neither is the case.
The E-100 in War Thunder was a product of it’s time, and Gaijin was very clear that they do not plan to add any other E-series tanks. The Tiger-Maus we have ingame would also not be added in this form in today’s War Thunder, we can be happy it exists ingame at all, as otherwise we’d only have the Maus as German super-heavy turreted tank.
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I vote yes, I would love to have 2 E-100 in my account.
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Yeah, that’s a fair argument. That said, it’s a bit of a shame, though, considering we at least have a decent amount of information on the E-25 and possible evidence that a few may have been built.
Honestly, though, I don’t see the issue with adding in paper vehicles; I mean, WT, at the end of the day, is a game, and more content is always acceptable for the longevity of the game. I also don’t really buy into the nonsensical argument that by adding in paper vehicles, WT turns into WoT 2.0. We have a long way to go before we reach that mark, and adding some historic designs doesn’t change that fact. That said, you do make a point about the lack of info, but I’d wager you could get a decent estimate of performance values from what information we have. Just my two cents though
Honestly, yes! That said, the Tiger II 10.5 probably shouldn’t be brought back, as it was a rejected design proposal that had no chance of working and was barely designed. Aside from that, the Panther II in comparison, would need its schmalturm replaced by the Turm Panther 2 (schmale Blendenausführung) and its gun replaced by the standard 7.5. Coelion would also be nice to bring back as a gap filler plus there’s more evidence that existed than there is that the Ostwind II existed.
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I disagree. It’s the current E-100 with its Maus I turret that’s in what-if fantasy territory, because the the original Maus turret would be too heavy for it. Which is unfortunate since the hull of the E-100 is a very accurate modeling job.
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Saying it’s a product of the past is an excuse. Gaijin recently equipped the MiG-29G with R-27ER, the YAK-141 with IRIS-T, and added the F-16AJ, which is even less feasible than the ‘Maus 2 turm E-100’, simply for Japan.
Secondary, West Germany never used the AIM-9J missile, but according to Gaijin, they give the AIM-9J to F-4F and F-104G because the AIM-9L was overbalanced And it was paid just because it was equippable
As a side note, ostwind2 was replaced with FlakPanzer 341 even though it had less data than FlakPanzer 341, simply because ‘Fkpz 341’s turret just a mockup’.
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paper tank. no.
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Apply this to the E-100
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+1 as event tanks or premium event tank for the war thunder anniversary !
i hope this tank make it.
E-100 we have in the game have turret could not even handle the hull and it’s looked behind tournaments and 2000 Gajins coins.
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also we have these R2Y2 never built.
and
M6A2E1 this extra 50mm armor was planned to be added but never built but gajin added the extra 50mm armor to make it balanced and playable.
And T-80B with thermals which never had.
and
and F-4F early have Aim 9J which was never fitted to the early version.
i see no issue adding different shape turret to the E-100 which was the really turret for E-100 and we already have the gun and hull ready.
balance is not an issue they could make br decompression to 13.7 Br and move these tanks in br.
and also the E-100 we have in the game locked behind 2k Euros which only wealthy and skin creates can buy them and tournaments are the worst and the top 1 team can get the E-100 which is bs !
i played the E-100 tournaments and got Decal from getting the top 10 team only a decal and some GE.
it’s win win for everyone E-100 owner will be happier they will get Extra E-100 they could sell or keep and Gajin will make more money and players will have Chance to play with E-100 also this E-100 is more realistic.
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are we really calling physically existing, but unfinished due to the end of the war, tanks “paper tanks” now?
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isint the E-100 already in game as a extremely rare veichal? (EDIT: its 8:00am don’t comment on my bad spelling)