Does the Abrams have a spall liner? No from what I could find

Which source?

Source 68.

You mean the 68th group of citations for the fourth source? Which one of the four citations within the 68th group (listed below) is it?

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I have studied the Abrams in depth for years and I am almost certain that the Abrams does not have spall liners on the hull sides, turret front/sides, and roof. The only place that might have a spall liner is the front of the hull, behind the 101.6mm backplate.

Taking into account the lack of documents detailing changes to the armor over the years and the lack of official sources stating “numbers”, i suggest Gaijin to implement the following changes to increase it’s survivability.

  • Fuel tanks and bulkheads remodel.
    Currently the fuel tanks geometry is extremely basic and is missing some thickness along with the front and top bulkhead plates.
    According to “Military Handbook Design of Combat Vehicles For Fire Survivability (MIL-HDBK-684)” Abrams bulkheads over the driver area are 25.4mm thick instead of 19mm currently in game. In some photos of the driver’s compartment the bulkhead plates seems to be 38.1mm thick.

  • Currently the hydraulic reservoir is used as the hydraulic pump, which is incorrect. The gun turret drive and stabilization systems are electronically controlled and driven by an engine powered hydraulic pump. A battery-powered auxiliary pump provides engine-off hydraulic power, which means you can still move the turret/gun if one of them is disabled or destroyed.

  • The 120mm gun cradle/rotor is wrong and is using the 105mm gun cradle/rotor, which makes the mantlet weaker than it should be. Every 120mm armed Abrams is missing at least 100mm of gun mantlet armor.
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120mm cradle/rotor


  • Volumetric race ring armor for the turret and hull. Currently the turret is missing it’s race ring.

  • Turret basket screens and driver’s access door. They provide additional protection for the crew and can catch spall, and like thin sheet metal in game should produce zero spall. This should increase the Abrams survivability when penetrated through the hull’s lower frontal plate and hull sides.




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lol waiting of F.O.I.A request from the army? See you in 39 years :D

the roof no, the turret crew emplacement has them, both the back plates have them.