Does the Abrams have a spall liner? No from what I could find

Source 68.

You mean the 68th group of citations for the fourth source? Which one of the four citations within the 68th group (listed below) is it?

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I have studied the Abrams in depth for years and I am almost certain that the Abrams does not have spall liners on the hull sides, turret front/sides, and roof. The only place that might have a spall liner is the front of the hull, behind the 101.6mm backplate.

Taking into account the lack of documents detailing changes to the armor over the years and the lack of official sources stating “numbers”, i suggest Gaijin to implement the following changes to increase it’s survivability.

  • Fuel tanks and bulkheads remodel.
    Currently the fuel tanks geometry is extremely basic and is missing some thickness along with the front and top bulkhead plates.
    According to “Military Handbook Design of Combat Vehicles For Fire Survivability (MIL-HDBK-684)” Abrams bulkheads over the driver area are 25.4mm thick instead of 19mm currently in game.

  • Currently the hydraulic reservoir is used as the hydraulic pump, which is incorrect. The gun turret drive and stabilization systems are electronically controlled and driven by an engine powered hydraulic pump. A battery-powered auxiliary pump provides engine-off hydraulic power, which means you can still move the turret/gun if one of them is disabled or destroyed.

  • The 120mm gun cradle/rotor is wrong and is using the 105mm gun cradle/rotor, which makes the mantlet weaker than it should be. Every 120mm armed Abrams is missing some armor in the mantlet area.
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120mm cradle/rotor


  • Volumetric race ring armor for the turret and hull. Currently the turret is missing it’s race ring.

  • Turret basket screens and the thin metal sheet behind the driver. They should provide additional protection for the crew and can catch spall, and like thin sheet metal in game should produce zero spall. This should increase the Abrams survivability when penetrated through the hull’s lower frontal plate and hull sides.




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lol waiting of F.O.I.A request from the army? See you in 39 years :D

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the roof no, the turret crew emplacement has them, both the back plates have them.

The real issue is that Gaijin doesn’t believe that integrated spall liners exist, so therefore every form of spall liner must be immediately visible. From what I can tell it’s there, just under the innermost layer that they weld things to.

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any updates?

i believe they accepted both the bulkhead’ss and turret ring’s report, now we’re just waiting

and i made a bug report in regard of the gun cradle/rotor

2035 it’ll be fixed

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for real xD

There is no tank more secret than the Abrams XD

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maybe we’ll see them declassified once the M1E3 enters full rate production and M1A2’s and SepV1-V2 start getting pulled out from service

T14 armata is so sekrit that it its been kept in the fiction books

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