Abrams crew wearing Kevlar vests wouldnt be just Abram’s thing, additionally it kinda would and wouldnt make sense for that to be a mod rather then be a thing from start.
hey report that bug reporters comment for misinformation
Hey do us a solid, who ever this guy is,
let him know, he shouldn’t be a bug reporting manager, because its obvious he doesn’t know what a integrated spall liner is, and we have proof that they work via wiki leaks.
THE SPALL CONE THAT WAS MADE
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Gaijin doing gaijin things again I see…
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Bug report managers are a way to hide whoever is denying or accepting the bug. This is most likely to prevent cirtism towards an individual. But mainly to stop us from identifying repeat offenders.
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It’s just how spalling works: if you lessen the shockwave caused by an impact or penetration enough so that the innermost material has a higher dynamic strength than the shockwave, the innermost material will not spall.
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I’ve just made another bug report about the Abrams’ integrated spall liner: Community Bug Reporting System
It’s basically just explaining the material science and why an integrated spall liner makes sense, with a link to the other bug report since I was running out of characters.
Edit: Of course, if there are any actual Material Science Engineers (or a similar profession) who find what I’ve written to be incorrect, I’m prepared to be wrong (lol) so just correct me if so.
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They’ve already closed it, tf?
Edit:
Response from whichever technical moderator:
It’s almost like I:
- Addressed the spall generated by the innermost plate - It is thin and therefore will not generate much spall, and Abrams crews wear spall vests.
- Have already debunked the GVSI source, which does not include integrated spall liners in their definition.
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No, you don’t. There is no composite armor or kevlar anywhere between the penetration point of the right side hull and the left hull sidewall where the shrapnel ended. (Unless you include the crews kevlar vest)… What you are seeing is the Inconel jet of liquid generated by a small tandem RPG warhead. Nothing else. A small shaped charge such as that would not yield much in the way of spalling.
TL;DR what you posted isn’t spalling, nor did any kevlar lining or spall reduction methods exist in any of the layers shown.
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yes there is, and the fact you keep saying this is proof enough you dont know what you’re talking about, let alone should keep replying.
It is just steel. The round penetrated the exterior skirt with the initial charge, and the second (tandem) charge penetrated the hull armor from the right side. There is literally no “special armor” or composites on the side of the Abrams hull. It penetrated the thin sidewall of the hull, passed through the gunners right side of his chair, narrowly missing him, and damaging numerous items before stopping at the opposite side’s hull sidewall.
There is no kevlar, composites, or spall protection in any of the affected areas.
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Lol. For the sake of the Abrams, let’s remove the spall generation from all tanks with thin armor in the game. What is this magical armor with an internal spall liner that only the Abrams has. All other countries apparently know nothing about this and continue to use an interior spall liner. I honestly read your new report.
The only document provided that is significant is the one. All the others describe the process of spallation itself. And this document says the following, which you missed.
Behind armor effects can be suppressed from shaped
charge attack by making use of only the fundamental equations
established in chapter 4. In particular, it is
possible to decrease the stress of a shock pulse by the use
of an extended series of materials or laminations, each
material of decreasing specific acoustic impedance. The
major disadvantage of this method is the limited number of
materials with sufficiently specific acoustic impedances
not to mention the practicality and feasibility of manufacturing
such an armor system for armored fighting vehicles.
In this case, it is a purely theoretical possibility, not a practical one.
And given what is written below, I doubt that there is any need at all for such a complex system that can suppress spalls only in those places where there is composite armor only.
Tests of spaced armor liners have proven effective in
reducing the size of the debris cone angle and in capturing
up to 90% of all the spall that occurs after a shaped charge
attack. However, a more effective means of spall suppression
is to attach the spall liner system directly to the
back side of the armor plating.
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Isn’t it already in the game ? Armor on ammo carousel in Soviet T-80s T-72s T-64s doesn’t spall ingame i think. Unless Gaijin already change that
I don’t know where you get this from. We’re probably playing different games.
Maybe Gaijin already fix it. I’ll test it later. or wait for others to confirm.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Warthunder/comments/xsccxr/glad_to_see_bvms_damage_model_and_magically_not/
His source is “I think” and footage of the game when literally all tanks had same low ammo explode chance.
Different things altogether. Thin armor not spall =/= ammo not explode. (Ammo not explode also should get fix or torn down)
Also not just armor on Ammo carousel. There also a case where thin armor vehicles not generated spall. So such things already in game.
Seems to me, next on the list is that Abrams and Russian and whoever else uses DU should be asking for modified ammo types. If only certain tanks get a spall liner, and all rounds are acting like Tungsten penetrators. Then those same tanks with spall liners get the biggest boost. Since it normalized ammo to further increase their already strong tanks.
Nations that use DU wouldn’t be so affected by spall liners and nothing would need to change. US mains for example are already used to the status quo. Sweden, Germany and Italy however with their leopards now would be affected by nations using DU. Further dampening the crews during a successful pen.
So nations that already get penned and eff’ed wont be affected too much further by a more damaged crew. But really would help and balance those that don’t use tungsten.
If some nations can get spall liners, because that’s what they had and other don’t have it. I don’t see why we can’t use different ammo types with different effects.
I know it’s off topic.