The only one with citations, links to “Below the Turret Ring”, a hobbyist blog that provides no source for the claim.
Vet your sources better.
Bro, what? Only one of the sources doesn’t explicitly say the Abrams (or XM1) has a spall liner, and all of the ones that do have citations for the relevant section.
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You clearly didn’t follow the source trail to see if the sources are legit tbh. Equivalent of thinking that because a Wikipedia claim is sourced that it’s a valid one, instead of reading the citation.
The source cited doesn’t even contain the phrase “spall liner”. It’s a total bogus claim.
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Which source art you talking about? As far as I can tell, there are only a couple sources that I couldn’t find:
- “Technical Challenges of the U.S. Army’s Ground Combat Vehicle Program” - From the Congressional Budget Office, although this is just going over what a spall liner is.
- “Transformation: Transition From A Heavy To A Lighter Family Of Armored Vehicles” - An Army Strategic Research Project
- “Armor Technology,” - The only source (outside of the author themselves) that is relevant is: “See: M. Szymczak in: DREV paper, Sept’95,” which I couldn’t find online.
- “The Canadian Army Trophy: Achieving Excellence in Tank Gunnery” - From U.S. Army Armor Branch Historian, with the referenced sources for the paragraph (which talked about more than just spall liners), besides the author’s own experience, being:
- “XM-1 Baseline Cost Estimate: Management Review I: 105mm and 105mm/120mm Programs,” - Couldn’t find this online
- “M60 and M48 Tanks: Characteristics and Performance Book,” - Likely unrelated (couldn’t find online for free)
- “M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank 1982-1992” - Unrelated to spall liners, I found the pages mentioned
- “Killing Zone: The Story of the M-1, America’s Super Tank” - Couldn’t find online for free
The sources for the second bug report are essentially unrelated to the Abrams, as they prove that an integrated spall liner could function, and that there are more methods of reducing harm to crews than just putting a curtain on the walls.
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Which I screenshot. There is no mention of spall liners in that reference.
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Which source?
Source 68.
You mean the 68th group of citations for the fourth source? Which one of the four citations within the 68th group (listed below) is it?
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I have studied the Abrams in depth for years and I am almost certain that the Abrams does not have spall liners on the hull sides, turret front/sides, and roof. The only place that might have a spall liner is the front of the hull, behind the 101.6mm backplate.
Taking into account the lack of documents detailing changes to the armor over the years and the lack of official sources stating “numbers”, i suggest Gaijin to implement the following changes to increase it’s survivability.
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Fuel tanks and bulkheads remodel.
Currently the fuel tanks geometry is extremely basic and is missing some thickness along with the front and top bulkhead plates.
According to “Military Handbook Design of Combat Vehicles For Fire Survivability (MIL-HDBK-684)” Abrams bulkheads over the driver area are 25.4mm thick instead of 19mm currently in game. -
Currently the hydraulic reservoir is used as the hydraulic pump, which is incorrect. The gun turret drive and stabilization systems are electronically controlled and driven by an engine powered hydraulic pump. A battery-powered auxiliary pump provides engine-off hydraulic power, which means you can still move the turret/gun if one of them is disabled or destroyed.
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The 120mm gun cradle/rotor is wrong and is using the 105mm gun cradle/rotor, which makes the mantlet weaker than it should be. Every 120mm armed Abrams is missing some armor in the mantlet area.
105mm cradle/rotor
120mm cradle/rotor
- Volumetric race ring armor for the turret and hull. Currently the turret is missing it’s race ring.
- Turret basket screens and the thin metal sheet behind the driver. They should provide additional protection for the crew and can catch spall, and like thin sheet metal in game should produce zero spall. This should increase the Abrams survivability when penetrated through the hull’s lower frontal plate and hull sides.
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lol waiting of F.O.I.A request from the army? See you in 39 years :D
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the roof no, the turret crew emplacement has them, both the back plates have them.
The real issue is that Gaijin doesn’t believe that integrated spall liners exist, so therefore every form of spall liner must be immediately visible. From what I can tell it’s there, just under the innermost layer that they weld things to.
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any updates?
i believe they accepted both the bulkhead’ss and turret ring’s report, now we’re just waiting
and i made a bug report in regard of the gun cradle/rotor
2035 it’ll be fixed
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for real xD
There is no tank more secret than the Abrams XD
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maybe we’ll see them declassified once the M1E3 enters full rate production and M1A2’s and SepV1-V2 start getting pulled out from service
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T14 armata is so sekrit that it its been kept in the fiction books
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The lack of spall liner, along with under average turret design/no hull armor, makes this tank below average in performance in regards to 12.0 battles. Buffing its hull would make it completely OP, so something like M829A3 should be added.