Definitely Roma’s AP and SAP should be fixed, as she’s already suffered with long reload
About this, afaik the known ‘AP’ penetration of soviet 16’’ on navweap is actually SAP’s. If then, high penetration of SAP ingame makes sense
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They changed the pen a little bit (still far from being correct). Could You check the files for see what was modified?
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PenetrationK is now 0.91.
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Roma’s AP? Why developers not keep PenetationK on 1 like other AP?
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Thanks, still lower than what It should be.
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Why it isn’t 1 though? The Roma AP shell has 1,15% of explosive mass, the lowest ratio of explosive in all of the new BB shells, anything less than 1.0 feels wrong.
Also what about the bad dispersion? Are you still believing the old war propaganda myth that Italian BB were inaccurate when there have been tons of books and articles about how Italian guns dispersion was in line with the dispersion of comparable foreign guns?
Edit: And What about the pitiful 0.55 coefficient of the SAP shell, that gives her a worse penetration than the SAP of the Francesco Caracciolo? The ratio of the explosive and the shell weight is still one of the smallest ones in game…
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What even is this coefficient? I asked @Smin1080p_WT and he said that penetration of naval AP shells is calculated by de Marre formula in the same way as all the other AP shells in game.
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I don’t know…
Roma’s shells are already the highest penning 381s in the entire game; and, according to your post, they should have a higher penetration than even Iowa or Yamato’s AP shells.
Is that actually possible?
To me, it seems like they fine-tuned the formula for a realistic adjustment rather than maliciously nerfed it. I find unlikely the idea of Roma’s 381s penetrating more than Yamato’s 460s, to be honest.
And, for the record, I never questioned or debated that Roma’s 381s were the highest penning 381s; I could even expect a 800+mm pen value, as per historical records. I just found the specific suggested 900+ mm figure a bit weird.
EDIT: I just realised that there was a misunderstanding on my part; I read the 0m value as 1,000m value; so I naturally thought that value was too high! But no, it’s perfectly fine and reasonable, nevermind my confusion.
since Roma’s guns had a longer range than Yamato’s guns while having 10 degrees less elevation (35 vs 45) it’s absolutely realistic. I don’t think you find unrealistic for the German 75mm gun on the Panther to penetrate more than the SAV 105mm gun.
Penetration is influenced by speed, mass (total and explosive mass) and hardness of the projectile. Roma had very hard AP rounds with little explosive mass, the highest mass of all 15 inches guns and a 850 m/s speed (at 0 metres). Sure a 460mm bullet will lose less energy through distance, but that’s another topic.
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it is very much possible.
caliber isnt the only thing that affects penetration. a higher velocity smaller round will pen more than a slower velocity bigger round.
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So they make stuff up, tell me something new instead.
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When You have the highest muzzle velocity of any gun yeah You achieve better pen and better range.
The fact that You find this unlikely does not change reality. If a shell Is harder and faster it will pen more.
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Italian 381 mm guns were quite long ( 381/50) and had really high average pressure. They fired above average weight shells ( 884,8 kg ) at 850 m/s which was really high inital velocity. There was not a lot of bursting charge and sectional density was rather high. OTO Melara gave number of 814 mm of KC at 0 meters.
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clearly needed for someone like you mate…
as for your second point, probably cause half the italian shit that gets implemented for italy gets cucked HARD by gaijin.
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Thanks for the info!
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Definitely wish to see this fixed, this is unacceptable, to deliberately modify the formula simply to nerf the guns here is not okay, it would be less egregious if it at least matched historical figures, the advantage of this gun is that its within 16" level ballistic parameters.
Dispersion is historical along with Richelieu. Iowa should also have high dispersion iirc (not seen it in-game) and based on what we know about dispersion and how it works Sovetsky should potentially have some of the highest dispersion in-game.
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I’m not very sure we should consider that data, as if I recall properly we used tables that tended to undervalue the armour penetration. The de marre formula properly applied should be good enought.
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Soviet 100mm shells penetrate more than most 122mm ones, I don’t see how Roma’s penetration would be unrealistic. As mentioned a few comments above, smaller shells with higher velocity will penetrate more than larger shells with lower velocity.
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Of course; that’s why I never found strange the idea of Roma’s shells penetrating high 700s, or even low 800s.
I always knew that Roma’s 381s were the highest penning ones, I never debated that.
I only found strange the 900+ mm figure, since that’s even more than the manufacturers themselves stated.
EDIT: I just realised that there was a misunderstanding on my part; I read the 0m value as 1,000m value; so I naturally thought that value was too high! But no, it’s perfectly fine and reasonable, nevermind my confusion.
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If you consider the amount of aura surrounding the US 16"/50 superheavy and Japan simply from having the only 18" gun though to have a relatively unknown ship (despite being one of the best/arguably the best European BB designs of the 2nd world war) come out with higher pen is completely understandable to be dubious about it.
I am also surprised it comes out quite that high, I would’ve put it ~850mm mark.
I suppose its like when people are confronted with the reality that Bismarck is not a good ship, she’s just heavier than everything else by about 15,000 tonnes or 25 years newer. You require an explanation to realise just why.
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