it is very much possible.
caliber isnt the only thing that affects penetration. a higher velocity smaller round will pen more than a slower velocity bigger round.
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So they make stuff up, tell me something new instead.
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When You have the highest muzzle velocity of any gun yeah You achieve better pen and better range.
The fact that You find this unlikely does not change reality. If a shell Is harder and faster it will pen more.
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Italian 381 mm guns were quite long ( 381/50) and had really high average pressure. They fired above average weight shells ( 884,8 kg ) at 850 m/s which was really high inital velocity. There was not a lot of bursting charge and sectional density was rather high. OTO Melara gave number of 814 mm of KC at 0 meters.
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clearly needed for someone like you mate…
as for your second point, probably cause half the italian shit that gets implemented for italy gets cucked HARD by gaijin.
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Thanks for the info!
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Definitely wish to see this fixed, this is unacceptable, to deliberately modify the formula simply to nerf the guns here is not okay, it would be less egregious if it at least matched historical figures, the advantage of this gun is that its within 16" level ballistic parameters.
Dispersion is historical along with Richelieu. Iowa should also have high dispersion iirc (not seen it in-game) and based on what we know about dispersion and how it works Sovetsky should potentially have some of the highest dispersion in-game.
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I’m not very sure we should consider that data, as if I recall properly we used tables that tended to undervalue the armour penetration. The de marre formula properly applied should be good enought.
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Soviet 100mm shells penetrate more than most 122mm ones, I don’t see how Roma’s penetration would be unrealistic. As mentioned a few comments above, smaller shells with higher velocity will penetrate more than larger shells with lower velocity.
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Of course; that’s why I never found strange the idea of Roma’s shells penetrating high 700s, or even low 800s.
I always knew that Roma’s 381s were the highest penning ones, I never debated that.
I only found strange the 900+ mm figure, since that’s even more than the manufacturers themselves stated.
EDIT: I just realised that there was a misunderstanding on my part; I read the 0m value as 1,000m value; so I naturally thought that value was too high! But no, it’s perfectly fine and reasonable, nevermind my confusion.
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If you consider the amount of aura surrounding the US 16"/50 superheavy and Japan simply from having the only 18" gun though to have a relatively unknown ship (despite being one of the best/arguably the best European BB designs of the 2nd world war) come out with higher pen is completely understandable to be dubious about it.
I am also surprised it comes out quite that high, I would’ve put it ~850mm mark.
I suppose its like when people are confronted with the reality that Bismarck is not a good ship, she’s just heavier than everything else by about 15,000 tonnes or 25 years newer. You require an explanation to realise just why.
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Per Gaijin’s own calculator, it should penetrate 901mm at point blank range. I don’t really see anything strange with that.
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But I don’t get it- everyone has always said that the formula was flawed and that it should often require fine-tuning; but, suddenly, when it comes to Roma, fine-tuning or adjustments aren’t necessary even when the value is nearly 100mm higher than the historically recorded values.
This is what felt odd for me. I would get a 780, 790, 800, even 820mm pen figure. Even 850 if you would like. But 900+…?
EDIT: I just realised that there was a misunderstanding on my part; I read the 0m value as 1,000m value; so I naturally thought that value was too high! But no, it’s perfectly fine and reasonable, nevermind my confusion.
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Take a look at this
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Who ever said this?
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You know what, whatever. Just give Roma that 900mm pen value or something. You got enough to deal with with the 45 second reload anyway.
At least the highest possible penetration could make up for that torture of a reload to some degree.
EDIT: I just realised that there was a misunderstanding on my part; I read the 0m value as 1,000m value; so I naturally thought that value was too high! But no, it’s perfectly fine and reasonable, nevermind my confusion.
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That’s another pretty inconsisten thing, as most battleships have a reload times only described on paper while Roma has the combat one (the reload on paper was 24 sec). Take a look at Bismark for example.
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speaking of the reload on roma, its not fair that other nations (except the US) get their perfect fastest reload, while US and Italy get their average reload, even if Littorio and Vittorio Veneto managed to on average reload in 30 seconds or less during an exercise.
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Dear Spanish_avenger, it’s been a long time since we talked about something.
Please let me give you my little contribution to the topic.
The 381/50 were designed for a velocity of 870 m/s, after the development phase and after the trials it was decided to reduce the velocity to 850 m/s in order to have better resoults regarding the accuracy at long ranges.
these cannons had axceptional performances in therms of range and penetration power of the shell, so much that they had performances more similar to the 406mm than to the 380mm of other nations.
This is confirmed by several sourches, (such as the firing tables) and also by the formula that even gaijin uses for other shells.
I think that, despite the “frictions” that we had in the past, you could empatize with us…for having experienced a somewhat similar situation regarding underperforming shells.
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The formula is not flawed, but often requires fine tuning to account for changing variables between shell types. Gaijin has made a calculator that accounts for HE fillers and ballistic caps, which in itself solves a vast majority of issues. Granted, it does not use reference shells like some other DeMarre calculators do, but for Gaijin’s sake it’s enough.
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