Dassault Rafale - Variants, Characteristics, Armament and Performance

[Батончик]

I heard that 72 will become if you use countermeasures of smaller caliber, which in the context of the game is worse
Right now he has 32 high caliber, I would not change them to 72 standard

[vizender]

@Батончик

smaller caliber

Not small caliber, just plain old regular caliber

[WreckingAres283]

@Батончик

Am I correct in understanding that countermeasures will remain 32+120?

@MademoiselleSXXI

I saw that it should be increased to 72 from 32

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/aSMJHuBPPQ5k

[Батончик]

Then it will be good

[x-GeeNo_MS-x]

soo… in simple terms you want 21th century jets fighting like Korean War jets Noted in my book! another grandpa got stuck in the past good to know.

[Батончик]

Then I’m waiting for this change. 72 countermeasures like the J-10 are more than enough for me personally

[Mathll]

@x-GeeNo_MS-x

the option to gimp them all making it functional and dangerous at close ranges duh

Since you seem to know a lot about it, do you know the frontal firing range of the Mica IR ?

I just feel like you’re proposing missiles without knowing their true capabilities. Also, do you really think these missiles could be added without the community complaining?

@x-GeeNo_MS-x

we´ll have jets with unrealistic loadouts if they are not added and i find this very annoying at some point

So the A-10 goes to 13.0 in this case?
A lot of planes will just end up at Brs that are way too high for them, which will make them unplayable.

[Cpt_Bel_V]

If you followed my discussion with @MademoiselleSXXI i’m only reasonning her/his way, because she/he is going wild.

She/he thinks that weapon management system having 14 dots, means that necessarly 14 weapons might be loaded on the Rafale (which is stupid, by reference even F/A-18 or Su-27 show the fuel tanks on pylon management Screen)

So i goes by his/her reasonning for that, currently fictionnal loadout (but could be possible with adaptation of the Pod to those Wet/heavy pylon).

My earlier reasonning about 14 hardpoints is the one that should be taken into account, realistically:

@Cpt_Bel_V

14 hardpoints:
2 Mica wing tips
6 bombs
3 fuel tanks
1 Tgp pod
2 Meteors

2+6=8
8+3= 11
11+1 = 12
12+2 = 14

[MademoiselleSXXI]

No? I’m not saying Weapons Management System having 14 dots = 14 weapons at all. Stop putting words in my mouth if they’re so incorrect

It simply shows that the pylon underneath the wingtip has existed for a long, long time, supporting the claim that it is compatible with weapons before F4; and the only one used there is the MICA

[x-GeeNo_MS-x]

24km in head-on mate but just using the datalink capabilities! thing that if they want they could not add it!, also you would see the smoke trail of the missile when its being fired, actually a lot of people in game are yet used to preflare a lot soo… you know a gimped MICA-IR with Magic-2 IRCCM its much likely going to be flared easily past 2-3km for example.

[SidewaysCube946]

I say we ask for Magic II Mk.2, slap that with the real Magic II capabilities on the Rafale, M2K-5F and M4K while keeping the current nerfed Magic on the F1, Jaguar IS and M2K-S5

[Cpt_Bel_V]

Show me picture of your bull@,…
Because you were saying :

@MademoiselleSXXI

But also there are 14 pylons displayed on the Weapons Management Station in the Rafale’s cockpit, where 14 green dots appear marking potential placement

@MademoiselleSXXI

look at the weapon management station and all of its glory with 14 hardpoints

@MademoiselleSXXI

Rafale F3.3: Emports meaning Hardpoints, describes additional hardpoints, backing up the claim

Its quite clear that the choice of 6 missiles on a Rafale is not a limitation past F3.3, but rather, a doctrinal one to maintain stock and lower cost. This goes directly in-line with the limited purchase of Meteors later on

@MademoiselleSXXI

That’s not the only link, not even my own. One was Armee de 'air’s own presentation showing F3.3 with more weapons, 2 side by side Rafales from 2011 with additional weapons, and now you imply the Rafale’s own weapon management station is lying about what the Rafale can do? For what? And where’s the actual proof that it was never wired? The evidence sounds in favor of it being wired; Rafale’s Weapon Management Station, the additional load of the F3.3, the commonly seen pylons under the wings before the flight of the F3R and contract of the F4 Standard…

@MademoiselleSXXI

To say they can’t be used is basically saying that the Rafale’s own weapon management station, the screen showing pylons, has 2 mystery slots that contribute nothing but still show up anyways for no reason

So now i need you to post those 14 dots.

[MademoiselleSXXI]

Hello, the pylons here, showing where they are under the wingtip pylons

[Mathll]

@x-GeeNo_MS-x

you know a gimped MICA-IR with Magic-2 IRCCM its much likely going to be flared easily past 2.5-3km for example.

And why not just a Magic 2 with its realistic performance?

Regarding the 24km it is particularly debatable, some sources rather announce a capacity to fire it to its maximum range

[x-GeeNo_MS-x]

thats another option the Magic-2 MK.II have a better rocket engine if am not wrong, that means more effective range.

[ExcaliburSniper]

MICA-IR should not have been denied.

• The devs had no problem gimping the IRCCM of Magic 2 until other nations caught up.
• They had no problem giving Russia the R27ET with similar range.
• They have no problem gimping the MANPADS lock range against helis to protect Ka50 players.

So MICA IR with the IRCCM of an R73 and lock range of an ET would be completely fine. Could also limit it to two max until other nations catch up.

[SidewaysCube946]

I believe it is the same motor but has a better navigation law and an improved seeker, it should just be a mid life upgrade to the Magic II that updates the technology

[Mathll]

The Magic 2 Mk2 does not exist at all, it is just a name that comes from a translation error concerning the basic Magic 2

Magic 2 which should also have around 15km range and 50g maximum overload

[Cpt_Bel_V]

So that got in line with the fact that F.3.3 and F.4were ready to get recieve the F.4.1 upgraded with 8 missiles.
As i said here:

@Cpt_Bel_V

Every trustful sources point out Rafale F.3R as earlier variants are unable to carry 8 missiles, even if latest aircrafts were made ready to get transformed to F.4 standard as Dassault, Defence ministry and AdAE sources shows that most AdAE F.4.1 would be transformed from F.3.3 and F.3R standards because those have the ability to get transformed.

But that doesn’t mean that F.3.3 // F.3R standards are 8 missiles ready.
Which make choice of Gaijin to keep it at 6 missile completely normal.
Also considering that DGA didn’t qualified the Rafale F.3R and earlier to 8 missiles but 6.

(Note the 14th out front is never used? What do we have here, ECM pod?)

[x-GeeNo_MS-x]

because that would mean that jets like the Jaguar IS, Mirage 2000D, Mirage F1s would be overpowered in the BR they are bro, thats why the most sane option is just adding a gimped MICA to only top BR jets.