Dassault Rafale - Variants, Characteristics, Armament and Performance

I heard that 72 will become if you use countermeasures of smaller caliber, which in the context of the game is worse
Right now he has 32 high caliber, I would not change them to 72 standard

Not small caliber, just plain old regular caliber

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/aSMJHuBPPQ5k

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Then it will be good

soo… in simple terms you want 21th century jets fighting like Korean War jets Noted in my book! another grandpa got stuck in the past good to know.

Then I’m waiting for this change. 72 countermeasures like the J-10 are more than enough for me personally

Since you seem to know a lot about it, do you know the frontal firing range of the Mica IR ?

I just feel like you’re proposing missiles without knowing their true capabilities. Also, do you really think these missiles could be added without the community complaining?

So the A-10 goes to 13.0 in this case?
A lot of planes will just end up at Brs that are way too high for them, which will make them unplayable.

If you followed my discussion with @MademoiselleSXXI i’m only reasonning her/his way, because she/he is going wild.

She/he thinks that weapon management system having 14 dots, means that necessarly 14 weapons might be loaded on the Rafale (which is stupid, by reference even F/A-18 or Su-27 show the fuel tanks on pylon management Screen)

So i goes by his/her reasonning for that, currently fictionnal loadout (but could be possible with adaptation of the Pod to those Wet/heavy pylon).

My earlier reasonning about 14 hardpoints is the one that should be taken into account, realistically:

No? I’m not saying Weapons Management System having 14 dots = 14 weapons at all. Stop putting words in my mouth if they’re so incorrect

It simply shows that the pylon underneath the wingtip has existed for a long, long time, supporting the claim that it is compatible with weapons before F4; and the only one used there is the MICA

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24km in head-on mate but just using the datalink capabilities! thing that if they want they could not add it!, also you would see the smoke trail of the missile when its being fired, actually a lot of people in game are yet used to preflare a lot soo… you know a gimped MICA-IR with Magic-2 IRCCM its much likely going to be flared easily past 2-3km for example.

I say we ask for Magic II Mk.2, slap that with the real Magic II capabilities on the Rafale, M2K-5F and M4K while keeping the current nerfed Magic on the F1, Jaguar IS and M2K-S5

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Show me picture of your bull@,…
Because you were saying :

So now i need you to post those 14 dots.

Hello, the pylons here, showing where they are under the wingtip pylons

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And why not just a Magic 2 with its realistic performance?

Regarding the 24km it is particularly debatable, some sources rather announce a capacity to fire it to its maximum range

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thats another option the Magic-2 MK.II have a better rocket engine if am not wrong, that means more effective range.

MICA-IR should not have been denied.

  • The devs had no problem gimping the IRCCM of Magic 2 until other nations caught up.
  • They had no problem giving Russia the R27ET with similar range.
  • They have no problem gimping the MANPADS lock range against helis to protect Ka50 players.

So MICA IR with the IRCCM of an R73 and lock range of an ET would be completely fine. Could also limit it to two max until other nations catch up.

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I believe it is the same motor but has a better navigation law and an improved seeker, it should just be a mid life upgrade to the Magic II that updates the technology

The Magic 2 Mk2 does not exist at all, it is just a name that comes from a translation error concerning the basic Magic 2

Magic 2 which should also have around 15km range and 50g maximum overload

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So that got in line with the fact that F.3.3 and F.4were ready to get recieve the F.4.1 upgraded with 8 missiles.
As i said here:

But that doesn’t mean that F.3.3 // F.3R standards are 8 missiles ready.
Which make choice of Gaijin to keep it at 6 missile completely normal.
Also considering that DGA didn’t qualified the Rafale F.3R and earlier to 8 missiles but 6.

(Note the 14th out front is never used? What do we have here, ECM pod?)

because that would mean that jets like the Jaguar IS, Mirage 2000D, Mirage F1s would be overpowered in the BR they are bro, thats why the most sane option is just adding a gimped MICA to only top BR jets.