fakour is also strapped strapped to a garbage platform. besides, i think the sidjeel actually has better kinematics anyways. mica will unironically have better performance because of the platform its on
Compatibility ≠ having DIRCM
Just means it has the required angular accuracy to stear the lasers if implemented, which is not unexpected, since that is a strong point of IIR MAWS.
That being said, its unlikely to be a particularly good investement of cost, complexity and aircraft realestate on a high altitude fighter jet since, contrary to what gaijin seems to believe, (L)DIRCM appears to mostly be geared towards countering common MANPADS, not cutting edge DIRCM resistant IIR seekers, which is why its commonly seen/developped for helicopters, but is only seen on 1 fighter atm (thr Su-57).
Theres also the possibility the reason its on the Su-57 was that the most likely adversary IR weapons for the russians over the last 2 decades were to be those of ex-soviet block nations they are trying to invade, and as the Russians only recently began fielding 5th gen IIR missiles, its possible they knew the majority of IR missile threats in inventory with near-term adversaries would be impacted by the system.
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Yes, Russian fighters tend to be more geared to low altitude where MANPADS is much more of a threat than high alt where Rafale is, which is why they don’t have LDIRCM.
I think there has been a proven way to defeat IIR seekers though, otherwise there would be a lot more fear around them. And something like the Rafale would probably have special equipment to defeat them if there wasn’t already a relatively easy to integrate solution
Short range land based systems also typically engage drones, low flying aircraft, and cruise missiles. We have no information available on what the reference target is that results in the MICA VL brochure claims.
Regardless I have already approximated what would need to be done to reach the values that he desires. It results in a missile that outranges everything in the game. (No I am not counting Fakour 90 because some goober up tiering it to top tier is going to get vaporized.)
The argument is that the currently best performing plane in the game has to have its one minor disadvantage removed while having most of its current advantages amplified. This is in regards to a plane that has been meta-defining for the past 7 months and will likely be meta-defining for at least the next 3 months. That is a bare minimum period of domination that spans 9 months and will likely span over a year depending on what the next major air-to-air patch entails.
For reference the MiG-23MLD was meta defining from Oct 21 to Jun 22 when the F-14 was added. That is an 8 month timeframe.
This is a screenshot from a reddit post when the MLD was it’s peak. It had 4:1 KD on the sample size that thunderskill.
The Rafale experiences a marginally higher win rate and a marginally lower kill to death ratio according to Thunderskill. I am using Thunderskill as the comparative because Statshark was not around 4 years ago so we have to use its flawed sample size to have an apples to apples comparison. For comparisons sake, the highest performing Eurofighter is the Italian one.
All of the other Eurofighters are even less effective in terms of KD. The Su-30 doesn’t do any better by the same metrics.
Basically right now, in terms of player performance, the Rafale is as overpowered as the MiG-23MLD was in it’s heyday. And it will have a period of defining the meta just as long.
The F-14A was added in Jun 22 and leapfrogged the MiG-23MLD. The Mirage 2000 was added around 3 months later. If we want to count the F-14 as meta-defining (multi-pathing radar missiles was already an established tactic by the end of MLD era iirc) then its period of relevancy ended in Dec 22 with the introduction of MiG-29 and F-16A. That is only a 6 month period where it was the best plane in the game.
MiG-29 and F-16A were the meta picks for the next 9-10 months. This period of gameplay was more or less balanced during the time period with the MiG-29 edging the F-16 out in relevancy due to R-27ER. MiG-29 and F-16A had more or less equal flight models once the goofy g-limit approximation was adjusted. If it had been entirely removed then the F-16A would have more easily won against the MiG-29. F-16A had advantage of sustained turns and IR missiles while 29 has better radar missiles and worse IR. Even if we agree that the 29 was the dominant meta choice then its period of relevancy ends after 10 months.
The Rafale at a bare minimum will be the meta defining plane for a 9 month long period. That period will likely extend further unless Gaijin introduces significant power creep and deliberately leapfrogs all of the current planes in game by an even wider margin than all of our previous jumps in capability. And in all honesty I do not see that happening.
What this whole entire conversation reminds me of is when former American turned Russian mains were begging for the R-73 when the MiG-29 was at the height of its relevancy all because the Aim-9L outranged the R60M and that 2 other planes in the game could technically out turn the MiG-29. Yes there were people that wanted to buff the MiG-29 because the sustained rate number at 400 knots was higher for the F-14A if it had its wings fully deployed. It never occurred to these people that you could win in the first few turns or use ascending maneuvers to energy trap it post merge. And yes I was there back in the day telling them that massively buffing the best plane in the game was stupid.
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The general consensus around IIR missiles seems to be that if you enter their MAR, you’re likely already dead, so I’m not sure how there would be much more fear than that.
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You kind of forgot about the engine nerf in the suggestion, it would seem
The model i use and suggested by Fireball still has a time to impact greater than AMRAAM in any scenario
No
It is to avoid having an hypersonic missile with the drag of a brick instead of an actual air to air missile, and ensure it stays relevent in the future, since no other missile will be added to Rafale before the meteor and MICA NG comes
30G at 12km is pretty clear cut tho. You can just assume the most energy efficient trajectory during the flight time (no maneuvering aside from the initial turn), and a kill maneuver at the last second. Right now there’s simply no way it can do that as far as I am aware (more testing could be required)
I said before, that I don’t think the MICA needs any buffs right now. But it’s not just about the rafale in this case. The Mirage 2000 also uses it. And if a MICA VL comes (because devs figured out ASTER 15 is not used by ground platforms), then it becomes quite necessary to not be as bad as the IRIS-T SLS (mind that the IR variant would have worse kinetics compared to the EM variant, meaning it’ll perform even worse in that metric)
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Rafale 6+4 soon??? :O
Good to see the SAME people are still causing the SAME exact problems and derailing with zero consequences!
Anyways, i am yet to get the Rafale but was wondering if we might see more of the excellent custom skins added to the game in future patches, especially the NATO tiger meetups camos and more specifically the white tiger camo, that specific paintjob has lived in my head rent free ever since it hit the Gaijin live website. Could we maybe have a system in the future where we can vote on the forums for skins likely to be picked in future patches?
It used to be like that and got scrapped due to how “Rigged” the voting are lol
Gentleman, passionate discussions conducted with respect are good (or maybe not…), but I can guarantee that nothing good will come of ignoring warnings from moderator.
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Any differences between indigenous and export rafale avionics?
might have some, mostly on-board indians ones, as they have asked for a lot of weaponnary integration of some indigeneous missiles alike the BVRAAM “Astra” mk1 and 2, for the Rafale MH (Indian Navy ones)
that part is done by Hindustan if i recall.
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Visibly some antennas are different. I believe it was mentioned in this thread that the SPECTRA suit also features somewhat different systems between the Indian and French variant
Also Indian one uses DASH instead of Scorpine
Are you talking about the HMD? As India’s Rafale’s dont use DASH, but TARGO II. They use DASH for their other aircraft
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