Is there even any proof that image comes from the MMRCA competition?
I’ve looked before to see if it was a useful Eurofighter source and I can’t find any clear evidence of where it comes from, just people on different aviation forums saying words to the effect of “this apparently comes from the MMRCA competition”. As such I disregarded it because as far as I could tell it could have been from literally anywhere (or even completely made up).
I looked and no, I could not find any. For all we know someone could have just typed it out and posted it a couple of years ago…
Just like the “Austrian Brochure” then. Though it was at least blatantly obvious that one was fake.
Yikes, so the Rafale might still be significantly overperforming even after the nerf, and ALL the sources used were questionable at best? How are these reports even making it through the mods, never mind being acted upon by the devs…
Its energy generation as you can see from the attached chart is quite literally almost off the chart, nowhere near where it should be. They are backed into a corner because they cannot both fulfill realistic performance and supercruise claims (with no specification on ISA or if it is simply extremely cold), it requires much too low drag and much too high thrust which breaks the rest of the FM. This is not Rafale specific.
Correct me if im wrong, but couldnt they increase induced drag some more, therefore decreasing STR without impacting supercruise capability or ITR? Just like they just did for it to reduce its STR without impacting its supercruise capability?
Their source for 1.4M supercruise is from articles like this btw, 1991 | 0941 | Flight Archive simply that the aircraft achieved this speed on a test flight without afterburners. Are all test flights done in strictly level flight? Perhaps they, I don’t know, dove at some point to test the aircrafts envelope… I guess the production version of the plane should be able to reach this speed in level flight! Why not?
The maximum SEP value on the chart is excess power in level flight at full thrust, which would need much more of other types of drag in order to be greatly reduced.
it is in no way exclusive to them
What other aircrafts does this apply to?
I mean if you want to go at the bottom of this issue you’d need to remake the entire physics engine
Remake it for what? The issue at hand is unreliable and inconsistent sources and claims.
The reporting criteria has not changed.
Indeed the Austrian Brochure was rejected and not used.
The report had an additional source provided by the user at a later date,
- Dassault Aviation, Snecma, Thales - Rafale International Issue #10
- Aermacchi STR chart
- Rafale Solo Display 2018: Toulouse Francazal de l’intérieur
A new report is welcome if there is further corrective context or evidence to provide should there still be a remaining issue.
Reports are primarily actioned on what they are reported on. The devs review that specific information and make changes accordingly should the information line up and agree.
If there is further detail in the sources that can be used for other matters, additional reports should be made to report them correctly (as its one issue per source).
“Dassault Aviation, Snecma, Thales - Rafale International Issue #10” is a pilot testimonial that conflicts with the Aermacchi source used in the report. (Aermacchi says they should be the same, the testimonial says it should be better)
It has no configuration, no fuel weights for the comparison, and no point performance data. Additionally it has not been used as a setpoint to model the aircraft’s STR, the in-game performance is higher than what was included in the report.
Again, the bingo warning occurs later at 8:26, before is a low level warning telling you that the bingo warning is soon, check fuel. Which would be 500kg/s.
If you think the fuel consumption in game is too low please feel free to report this.
I’m also not sure what your point is, if you lower the fuel consumption then that means the STR would be taken at even less fuel… further nerfing rafale?
Nice user skin
Right? Always loved the Greek roundels
I love the camo.
The fuel warning clears when the bingo warning level is reset at 9:04, its part of the same sequence. 500kg/m for that duration of the video is also unreasonable, the plane is off burner for a significant portion of that. 500kg/m is also higher than what is physically possible in the game at those speeds, and we know from the SFC in other docs and thrust curves in the safran brochure that that the burn rate simply cannot be this high.
