Dassault Rafale - Variants, Characteristics, Armament and Performance

funny statement

From what ive read on this thread, irl the speed was limited to preserve the ram coating but i guess gaijin treats it as max structular speed

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No they dont, i fly it, only decent PK is at mach 1,6+ and 10+km at 25km±.
35km, they are slow AF before they reach even 30km. Enemy has 10 years to notch it or outrun it. It doesnt keep speed. Its Rmax2 is like 30% of amraam in same conditions. Today i reached 70km of Rmax2 on AMRAAM at altitude… max range around 100KM. MICA CANT EVEN FLY past 50km, and if its to reach 50, it takes eternity. Above 20, its rock even at alt.
MICA is WORST BVR missile together with R-77 and i have feeling that even R-77 is better in high altitude high speed slinging.
“ONLY” 50km Rmax2 on target doing 1300km/h GS at 10km… iam not even going that fast, iam doing only M1.64, it can easily do 1.8-1.9 at 12km and extending that Rmax2 to 70+km. Thats mind you high PK area where its supposed to hit maneuvering targets. That amraam is going to be doing mach 3+ at that range. Mica wont even get there. SO NO… MICA CANT BVR and its useless at 35km when amraams effective range under good conditions is same as micas max range. I get same Rmax2 with mica at high alt high speed as with typhoon at like 4km at mach 1,4.

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Well well well, looks like we are getting closer and closer to a proper AESA radar… keep it up gentlemen.

Bravo to you all, hope with DS’ reports we can get this fixed asap along with the many reports regarding details missing from the HUD.

Looking forward to all of these fixes and changes!

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It’s still a large chaff btw, I’m no mean to ruin the fun, but I have tested it in the TacView and the luminosity of Chaff Dispenser is the same as large flare.

Mica is not the worst, its better than the R-77 and its better than the R-Darter/Derby its the 2nd/3rd best BVR missile.

I have a squad mate that flies France and uses the MICAS at 25-30k and gets kills at those ranges with the Rafale.

How do you know if you havent used them?

Give me a brick and I will be able to kill “Ahh, missiles are coming at me but I will just keep flying straight😴😴” players from the same distance

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It’s the fourth best, behind the AIM-120A/B, PL-12, and AAM-4.

Not having used something does not mean that you can’t have knowledge of it.

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Anyone have access to this paper?

The german wiki on about CAPTOR cites it, claiming that the AESA Prototype had up to 30 Sub-arrays. Maybe it contains more info on how many T/R-Modules are needed to form a usable radar-beam?

With 1424 Modules that would be about ~50 Modules per beam.

Good news for the Rafale F5 :

(I don’t think it has already been posted)

It’s in french but we could see a 20% more thrust for the engines with a funding from UAE.

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Great, Safran always said they could do it easily, but DGA never saw purpose of a higher power M88

Cant wait to rip at 75% throttle

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Lmao

You beat me to it X)

If (big if) rafale F5 delivers, there would be :

  • New GaN AESA radar
  • 90 KN thrust engine
  • ASN4G
  • FC/ASW
  • and CFT are probably going to be necessary too, if there is a new engine
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No its not, only R-77 is questionable and more than anything, they are on par.
I have Darter and no, ITS SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER than mica at range. You dont even have amraam or mica… you ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE. Everything you have is one plane with R-Darter, stop yapping, you know nothing.
Aim-120
AAM-4
PL-12/SD10
Derby/Darter
THEN R77, Mica and R27ER… yes, ER is about as effective in BVR against amraam as is Mica or 77, in good hands, its actually better as it can reach and keep speed.
Only places where R77s and Micas are better, are sub 15 or 10km shots. Aka absolute nonmeta.

No, you will have extremely limited experience from receiving end. Bare minimum is to use amraam to know how good BVR missile looks and acts and Darter is closer to amraam than to mica.
That guy is british main most likely running into rafales headon at close range.
Well, gripen aint meta in public matches anymore buddy. Speed and climb with BVR missile is the king.
His only high tier french plane is S-4 which is extremely powerful jet at that BR - 0.92 Kd… Iam not going to take opinions on BVR slinging of someone who never used proper BVR fox3, never used mica, never used high alt platform thats quick and has sub 1.0 KD on plane thats blatantly OP on its BR.

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I mean there are lot of articles every week about rafale f5 and UAE, it is not confirmed but it seems to go in a good way.

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I did forget about the AAM-4 and the PL-12 you hardly see Japan and China at top tier.

We really need a speed limiter right now

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It’s always the funding that causes issues

If the funding is done, Safran can get on it quickly, they need to work to keep the know-how anyway, since the FCAS is possibly - probably - most likely going to end up off schedule

Fingers crossed for the 9T M88