Si how is the Rafale performing in dogfight right now ?
Especially against Gripen and Block 10 ?
No,… this M17 Rafale,… (the 17 painted on the Tail)
And if you find the 5F or the Rafale at the same level as the Jaguar in the meta, this is genuine skill issue.
If you can avoid a prolonged rate fight the Rafale beats those 2. But it will lose to a Typhoon or a J10A. IMO
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What i mean is that the mica is utterly bad.
Mhhh, okay weird that it loses to J10A in a rate fight…
If it loses to J10A it prolly loses to Block 10 and Gripen since those two beat J10
I’ll test that…
Typhoon seems out of this world
It’s definitely not. It’s one of if not the fastest missile in time to target below 15km and has insane pull. It’s by far the best missile for close to mid-range engagement (below 20km, where most of Air RB happens). While the Aim120 puts more pressure on the target, it starts giving warning at 20km, and it seriously sucks at close range. The R-77 is the middle ground, having better range than the MICA but less overall pull and huge drag.
The only thing that truly need fixing on the MICA is the proximity fuse.
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Please care to point to those ‘‘wrong’’ things i said if you want to make such an argument …
No , as previously stated im just pointing to the fact that MICA-EM range is a country mile from what it is declared to be by primary sources . From there we can derive two solutions :
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Gaijin fixes MICA-EM FM and x6 missiles are ok for the current state of the game . Yes it is the preferable solution … YET … the most unlikely .
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Gaijin implements the x8 loadout which has been proven at this point to be technically possible on F3R which is the only criteria that matters for the game ( WT doesn’t care about operational service ).
How would x8 loadout fix MICA-EM deficiency in long range BVR you asked ? Well im glad you asked , it won’t , that was never the argument made.
The argument was to give the Rafale an advantage in the numbers of FOX-3 it can carry which will help at shorter ranges ( MICA-EM remains excellent for the sub 20km engagement range ) to offset for the deficiency at long range , instead of the actual setup where both Rafale and EF have x6 FOX-3 while the EF retains a massive advantage in BVR. Does this sound balanced to you ? Cause to me it doesn’t.
It’s called asymmetrical balance …
It’s one of the fastest when it’s in test drive surely, it doesn’t work that way in actual game, it looses way too much speed for no reason.
Not entirely, your average pilot doesn’t tap W to conserve energy and the J-10A actually has better pull than both the Block 10 and Gripen.
So in Air RB with average pilots, J-10A would probably win.
I know the average pilot isn’t good (:
That’s why I’m talking about pure performance at equal level… High level if possible since it’s the best of what each plane can offer.
Nonetheless Gripen and blk 10 claps the J10.
My question was, how is the Rafale fairing against others ?
It is clearly the M 02. You would know this if you knew of the characteristics of specific Rafale standards, testbeds and pre-production prototypes.
Look, I’m grinding the 5F right now to the Rafale. I get 20km kills easily at altitude. I murder anything that get closer to 10 with a hitrate that’s probably close to 90%. I get offbore shots at 3km where an Aim120 wouldn’t even be able to start pulling to the target. It works very, very well.
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Tell them man.
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Im glad other ppl playing the Rafale are also saying its good, cuz this thread constantly saying its basicly unuasable and the worst plane in-game and attacking me anytime I type something or even when I dont say anything was getting obnoxious.
At 20km certainly not
Historical accuracy is indeed a double edge sword.
When it comes to bug reporting and fixing issues, there’s, imho, 3 main groups :
- Those who wants the plane to be as accurate as possible, while taking balancing issue into account. example : “no 8x missile on Rafale, but MICA needs to be fixed”, “HMD can stay because everyone gets one anyway, even if they didn’t have it IRL”, “Rafale F3.2 would have been better for balance than F3R with AESA” etc…
- Those who want their favourite plane buffed even if unrealistic or if it breaks balance (8-10 missiles on F3R, Meteors, SPECTRA)
- And finally those who will “use” realism to nerf a plane they have no interest in (with very questionnable motivations, and sometimes with no sources to back up their wanted nerf).
Let’s just say your track record does not show as much effort in the areas where a fix would result in a buff compared to the opposite. That is what people get annoyed about, and that reaction is quite frankly to be expected.
Don’t get my message wrong : i don’t think the plane in game is in a bad state, but removing the HMD would make no sense : F3R had no HMD in its service life, much like a lot of plane with HMD in game => you then need to implement one that was tested => the one tested was the Scorpion in view of the future F4.1 standard at the time => you are back to square 1
My track record doesnt show much effort in the area of a nerf either. Im not actively making bug reports or the likes, im just discussing open bug reports in general on the aircraft.
As for why my track record might not show that I’m putting much effort into buffs, its cuz nobody argues against me when I say something should be buffed. Half the time they seem to outright just ignore me calling for a buff to the Rafale/MICA in general. They absolutely do argue when I say something should be nerfed though, which skews the number of comments I’m making towards nerfs since thats what everyone else is talking about with me in this thread DESPITE me asking to stop bringing it up, since its largely pointless anyways.
I think the 4th category should be people who are fine with MICA’s staying the same if it gets 8 missiles, because the MICA does fill the short range niche that most missiles can’t do. I personally think that by giving the F3R 8 missiles it will age better. If kept as it is right now, it will mean France will need another jet (like the F.4 with 8 missiles) much sooner than if the F3R was given 8 missiles. By buffing the F3R’s loadout they make it so they can hold off on the F.4 until they are ready to add MICA IR, meteor, etc.
I’m not saying we need the MICA IR or meteor at all in the near future, but it at least gives gaijin a reason to add the F.4 with some new features other than being a simple upgrade with 2 more missiles, which is effectively what it would be since the F3R has HMD
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your point, the one about historical nerfs, would be more likeable if gaijin does apply the same logic everywhere, everytime, but we both know that it isn’t the case. this is why i think people argue with you on that.
on a gameplay POV imagine having a toptier 14.0 jet without even an HMS, i would cope with it if not for it’s not-AESA radar that, if working properly, can widely compensate these kind of lacks imo
Look man, you’re getting heat because you come across as a fraud
You don’t have anything in France, you have no stats on any french aircraft but strangely enough you’re very involved in this thread telling people they should shut up because they got an HMD
You come across as a fake. That’s why you’re getting heat
You spend a whole lot of time talking about how vehicles you do not own and have never worked toward should perform and it’s very sketchy