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Actually thinking of grinding France next since Im done with Japan. My only issue is that they will lack gen 5s if we reach that level of course but the Rafale is 😍
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Rafale F.4 with MICA NG and Meteors should be plenty enough to deal with Gen 5s in the future, up until it goes against UK F-35s with Meteors if that ever even happens (probably not).
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What about J-20 with long range PL-15+ missiles?
The biggest issue with that plane is that it has a proper missile that can shoot at the Rafale before being detected.
Rafales may have to rely on detecting missile launch, using rwr, and etc. while trying to close the distance against it. The only saving grace is the fact that there’s only 4 of them at a time on a plane so the J-20 simply can’t spam them and has to be selective with them when he shoots them.
PL-10 has a very high pK, I think the Rafale would prefer to try to use standoff munitions like MICA-IR NG than get really close to the J-20.
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I mean, it wouldn’t be smart at all to get within PL-10s range if you can use all your missiles in BVR and then run away to rearm. Why give in for a CQC if you can afford not to?
Some people think it would be smarter to dogfight because the J-20 has no gun. In reality, they (China) are confident that two PL-10s is far more than sufficient to handle CQC engagements if needed for the J-20.
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It would depend on some things I’d think. Dual band flares exist and so do planes with reduced IR. Dual band flares are advertised to flare even the most flare resistant missiles today. We’d have to see how Gaijin implements things. Dual band flares got passed to Gaijin recently.
Take J-20 / Chinese missiles discussion elsewhere plz, its off-topic.
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So you guess gaijin consider next step new fighter aircraft toptier start Rafale M LF1 ?
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Likely, but it really depends on what is already in-game and what is coming along with it as counterpart. Its too early to speculate about this, also given that the MICA is by far too strong for now.
Gaijin not consider add new aircraft from french navy for almost 2 years since F-8E(FN) from major update “Direct Hit” september 2021
Let’s say any day gaijin consider Rafale in the future. you guess dev consider 1st Rafale from French Air and Space Force or French Navy ?
Thats assuming the Rafale EW suite and J-20 avionics are roughly matched, which is something I dont usually see considered when ppl theorize potential BVR engagements.
For example, when Egypt tested Su-35s vs Rafales, the Rafale allegedly bricked the Su-35’s radar. Granted the Su-35 uses a PESA and the J-20 uses an AESA, but the interplay between avionics, PARTICULARLY at max ranges of these missiles, makes me question if its really fair to consider max range so much as a factor. I think the extra energy is more likely to have an effect in a fight by its increase of the NEZ than by actual engagement ranges.
Idk how dual band flares would affect IIR seeker heads, considering I doubt the flare looks like a plane…
AIM-9X went for flares of unknown variety. Multi-spectral flares can blind IIR seekers by causing any sort of auto contrast to be unable to focus the contrast/brightness of the original target within fov of the flare.
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Considering the fact that China has developed dedicated EW variants of the Su-27 (that Sukhoi tried to spy on), I’d consider their stuff a good ways ahead of whatever Russia has currently. The Rafale may still be better and we truly won’t know for certain about either… but it’s an interesting angle.
We must also consider the Rafales ordinance not having AESA when the Chinese does.
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Fair point here.
I just suspect that longer range range missiles likely dont get to use their long legs as much as ppl like to argue when you consider the effects of EW.