“利维坦”重大更新测试服 | cs/sa5 集中讨论与反馈收集帖

开发组觉得update command是数据链,我觉得这样理解的是合理的,从字面意思上来看这指向类似主动弹的中段指令修正而非半自动指令线更符合导弹的导引逻辑,但是FB10A可以,用来发射FB10A的630却要被质疑有没有这种能力?这是十分无端的猜测,如果不能导引FB10A那装备FB10A的意义何在?

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主要诉求:
FB10A应当获得中段数据链修正+末端红外成像复合制导能力和TWS发射能力,其需要更好的过载和极速
CS/SA-5需要配备AHEDA和APDS,修复发射架使其拥有和主炮一样的仰角

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而且ly70r在中段也是update command但在央视采访中明确表示ly70可以单车完成所有武器的作战拦截需求

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The CS/SA5 artillery air defense system was incorrectly modeled with missile launchers in yesterday’s update.


https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/WOCafDXKI2Qj
有点搞笑了,有位用户发CS/CA5 AHEAD的issue,提供了明确标注30mm炮的AHEAD画面,结果得到的反馈是“这是25mm不是30mm,not a bug”


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没想到苏联解体后俄罗斯的眼科医疗水平已经落后到如此地步了,令人叹惋啊

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明确一下,是东欧地区

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现在最奇怪的是130mm的FB10和FB10A(忽略后端30mm推键燃料),战斗部装药比90mm弹径的TY90导弹还要低一些是来搞笑的吗?这样不如还原TY90没有被削弱之前的机动能力和抗干扰能力算了

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那能不能给图像锁定呢

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开发团队能解释一下为什么90mm的95ya6的装药当量会是130mmFB10装药当量的八倍?难道开发团队就不认为他们给FB10的装药当量低到了一个非常可笑的地步?95ya6的装药当量甚至比239mm的9M331装药当量都大,反而FB10/FB10A只有区区不到2kg的装药当量,难道在游戏里,口径越小装药当量越大?这明显违背基本物理常识了,所以开发团队应该增加FB10/FB10A的装药当量

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The CS/SA5 should have AHEAD ammo
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/VyiQ6ZriG07X, the existence of cs/bae5 ahead has been acknowledged. However, as community manager Monika_in_action mentioned in the forum: “The development team believes that it is necessary to supplement the ammunition programming device related materials”. However, it is not necessary to describe this programming mechanism in detail, and the following provides the reason and further evidence.

There are two separate video resources from different official media, the first one is from the official weibo account of China South Industries Group Corporation. Between the 30- to 40-second mark in the video, it is clearly visible that the ammunition exhibits characteristics similar to AHEAD technology.
Sina Visitor System (link to CSGC)
Sina Visitor System 2(backup link)

The second resouce is from cctv (China Central Television is the national television broadcaster of China)
This video provide more information about the new system, from 7:27, we can clearly notice the characteristics of ahead ammo, and the damage effect on the drone (7:50 in the video) gives further evidence. Last but not least, the subtitle at 9:51 clearly said:“It is also equipped with intelligent programmable ammunition”

All in all, these video resources was enough to prove that the cs/sa5 has the ability to use AHEAD ammo, there is no more need to explain the programming mechanism.





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LY70系统也装备了FB10A导弹,但是装备在雷达车上,发射车装备的是LY70导弹,那么是不是可以认为FB10A的数据链完全可以集成到一台车上,而非需要多套载具组成的复合系统,那么对于远距离目标,FB10A可以依靠雷达提供的数据进行打击,而不是一定要依靠导弹自身的红外导引头。
从截图中可以看到LY70雷达车上就装备了FB10导弹


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可以看到在这个issue中管理员认为视频中展示的是25mm炮的版本,可是实际上在Sina Visitor System 中可以看到由官方发布的cs/sa-5使用30mm炮的画面,在图中issue给出的链接为传说中的625,CS/SA5型30mm轮式自行高炮_哔哩哔哩_bilibili ,它与官方发布的视频是同一来源,这证实了在图中的issue所提供的证据是正确的30mm炮。所以Bug Reporting Manager的判断有误。希望得到纠正

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在第一个视频链接中cs/sa-5使用30mm火炮的画面在第23秒出现

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而且央视报道也ly70防空系统可以单车完成整个防空武器系统的作战拦截需求
那么ly70上的fb10a也应该可以通过ly70发射车本身进行引导


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I believe that the development team mistakenly understood slant range as the maximum range, resulting in errors in the performance and design reference of these two missiles compared to reality, and affecting the data of power and resistance. I think the maximum range of these two missiles should be farther, that is, the maximum range of FB10 should be greater than 10KM, and FB10A should be greater than 18KM
That is to say, ‘射程’ is not ‘斜距’,and the maximum range is often farther than the slant range.Referring to the display board diagram of FM3000 and the introduction of HN-6, it can be seen that interception slant range is not the maximum range, and its definition is different in the Chinese context





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https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/kTBya65CKF7j
新提出来的AHEADissue,大家可以来看看

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关于FB-10和10A的重量问题,因为这俩弹重量相比直径来说过轻,出了动力段之后存能非常非常差。
目前游戏内的重量数据并不是非常合理,但是因为缺乏合适的参考数据,很难issue,情况提出来可以讨论下
作为比较,拿RIM-116系列比较,116系列数据来自美国海军官网,fb-10来自于拆包
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至少说10和10a的差值应该小得多
同样1kg的装药也并不合理,参考116系列3.6kg的装药量

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我注意到,当前测试服内FB10/10A导弹的TNT当量明显过小,我建议增加这两款导弹的装药质量以能够对中目标造成有效杀伤,issue链接如下: [DEV]TNT equivalent of the FB10/10A missiles is excessively low // Gaijin.net // Issues

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您制作的图片我补充到一个还开着的issues,望您见谅,链接在Community Bug Reporting System

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